Diamond crossings in NY

[scottychaos]

The diamond in Geneva no longer exists..
looks like it was pulled up fairly recently:

http://binged.it/VMjW8O

If you look at all four of the north, south, east and west versions,
in one of them it looks like the diamond is still in place! although hidden under freight cars..
that photo is probably 5 to 10 years old..

Scot

[RussNelson]

The rails and ties were still there behind 200 Mushroom in Fall 2011. Interesting that somebody would bother to remove them now...

[sd80mac]

The diamond in Geneva no longer exists..
looks like it was pulled up fairly recently:

http://binged.it/VMjW8O

If you look at all four of the north, south, east and west versions,
in one of them it looks like the diamond is still in place! although hidden under freight cars..
that photo is probably 5 to 10 years old..

Scot

you could see more than 4 pictures. if you shift pic over to nearest edge. new pictures will appears and it's always different pictures. I got about 10 but only one shows that one end is right up to cars as you mentioned.

[scharnhorst]

wow! lots of replies in a short time!
very cool..
ok, the updated list:

Former diamonds, now gone
1. P&L junction, Caledonia - BR&P/LV. (double diamond-LV)
2. Mount Morris - DL&W/PRR (double diamond -DL&W)
3. Sodus - NYC/PRR (this diamond might be in place, but not active)
4. Genesee Junction - Rochester - PRR & NYC. (double diamond-NYC)
5. Mortimer junction, Rochester, Erie/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
6. Mortimer junction, Rochester, LV/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
7. Charlotte (Rochester) NYC/NYC
8. Chili ave Bridge, Rochester, PRR/BR&P
9. Charlotte dock, Rochester, BR&P/BR&P
10. NYC Charlotte branch, Otis yard, NYC/NYC
11. Riverside junction-(Salamanca) - double crossing- PRR crossed BR&P and Erie
12. Phelps junction - PRR/NYC
13. Binghamton - D&H/DL&W
14. Cortland - LV/DL&W
15. Owego - DL&W/Erie
16. Freeville - LV/LV
17. Sidney - D&H/O&W
18. Chemung - Erie/DL&W (4 way diamond?? two 2-track mainlines)
19. G&W junction - Caledonia - G&W/Erie
20. G&W junction - Caledonia - G&W/NYC
21. Genesee Valley Junction -Rush - Erie/PRR
22. Leroy - NYC/Erie
23. Mayville - JW&NW/PRR
24. Voorheesville - D&H/NYC
25. Lake Mahopac - NYC/NYC
26. Oak Point Yard - short lived diamond.


several diamonds were at Genesee Falls RR, Rochester, industrial trackage. none remain.

regional market, Rochester (Henrietta) a dimond still there, not in use.

Diamonds still in use:

1. Binghamton - D&H/Erie (now CP/NS)
2. Olean - Erie/PRR (now WNYP/NS)? (is that right?)
3. Blasdell (Buffalo) originally ? and ?, now BSOR/NS.



here is Charlotte, 1912:
http://historical.maptech.com/getImage. ... g&state=NY

and Leroy, 1951
http://historical.maptech.com/getImage. ... g&state=NY

looks like a NYC/Erie diamond in Leroy.
and the BR&P had to cross the Erie and NYC somewhere between Caledonia and Leroy..diamonds or switches?

thanks guys!
keep 'em coming!
Scot

There was one in Geneva, NY at the old Paper Mill Finger Lakes removed in the late 90's it was just one industrial spar crossing over another if I remember.

[sd80mac]

wow! lots of replies in a short time!
very cool..
ok, the updated list:

Former diamonds, now gone
1. P&L junction, Caledonia - BR&P/LV. (double diamond-LV)
2. Mount Morris - DL&W/PRR (double diamond -DL&W)
3. Sodus - NYC/PRR (this diamond might be in place, but not active)
4. Genesee Junction - Rochester - PRR & NYC. (double diamond-NYC)
5. Mortimer junction, Rochester, Erie/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
6. Mortimer junction, Rochester, LV/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
7. Charlotte (Rochester) NYC/NYC
8. Chili ave Bridge, Rochester, PRR/BR&P
9. Charlotte dock, Rochester, BR&P/BR&P
10. NYC Charlotte branch, Otis yard, NYC/NYC
11. Riverside junction-(Salamanca) - double crossing- PRR crossed BR&P and Erie
12. Phelps junction - PRR/NYC
13. Binghamton - D&H/DL&W
14. Cortland - LV/DL&W
15. Owego - DL&W/Erie
16. Freeville - LV/LV
17. Sidney - D&H/O&W
18. Chemung - Erie/DL&W (4 way diamond?? two 2-track mainlines)
19. G&W junction - Caledonia - G&W/Erie
20. G&W junction - Caledonia - G&W/NYC
21. Genesee Valley Junction -Rush - Erie/PRR
22. Leroy - NYC/Erie
23. Mayville - JW&NW/PRR
24. Voorheesville - D&H/NYC
25. Lake Mahopac - NYC/NYC
26. Oak Point Yard - short lived diamond.


several diamonds were at Genesee Falls RR, Rochester, industrial trackage. none remain.

regional market, Rochester (Henrietta) a dimond still there, not in use.

Diamonds still in use:

1. Binghamton - D&H/Erie (now CP/NS)
2. Olean - Erie/PRR (now WNYP/NS)? (is that right?)
3. Blasdell (Buffalo) originally ? and ?, now BSOR/NS.



here is Charlotte, 1912:
http://historical.maptech.com/getImage. ... g&state=NY

and Leroy, 1951
http://historical.maptech.com/getImage. ... g&state=NY

looks like a NYC/Erie diamond in Leroy.
and the BR&P had to cross the Erie and NYC somewhere between Caledonia and Leroy..diamonds or switches?

thanks guys!
keep 'em coming!
Scot

There was one in Geneva, NY at the old Paper Mill Finger Lakes removed in the late 90's it was just one industrial spar crossing over another if I remember.

Isn't that the same one we just discussed? or different one?

[Train70]

Answer to Matt langworthy,s 05 question about possible diamonds at B&S and Pennsy crossing in Arcade and B&S BR&P crossing outside Springville.B&S bridged over BR&P south of Genesee Rd,abutments still exist.Pennsy bridged over B&S on same struture that took the Pennsy over Cattaraugus Creek,after B&S abandoment the Pennsy filled and shortend the bridge burying the B&S row.

[Matt Langworthy]

Answer to Matt langworthy,s 05 question about possible diamonds at B&S and Pennsy crossing in Arcade and B&S BR&P crossing outside Springville.B&S bridged over BR&P south of Genesee Rd,abutments still exist.Pennsy bridged over B&S on same struture that took the Pennsy over Cattaraugus Creek,after B&S abandoment the Pennsy filled and shortend the bridge burying the B&S row.

Thanx! I'd forgotten about those locations until this thread had been revived.

[howie729]

I don't see the one in Machias, NY on your list. I know that someone posted photos of it on here before.

[charlie6017]

I don't see the one in Machias, NY on your list. I know that someone posted photos of it on here before.

Is that diamond still in place, or was it removed when the R&S removed the tracks between the ex-PRR connector
and Silver Springs?

Charlie

[Train70]

The diamond at Machias no lnger exists,removed when R&S abondoned line between Machias and Silver Springs around 1992.

[BSOR Patarak]

Here is some info on Some CPs from the spv maps mention as possible-
B&S / Pennsy @ Arcade Jct - b&s went under the prr
B&S / TVC @ Arcade - b&s purchase row of tvc south of arcade. They did not operate at same time.
Erie (River Line) / TVC @ Cuba - diamond crossover, and dual gauge track to Cuba station
Pennsy / TVC @ Cuba tv&c crossed over on wood trestle
B&S / BRP @ Freedom - b&s over head
BRP / TVC between Freedom and Farmersville - tv&c over head
Erie (B&SW) / Buffalo & Susquehanna (B&S) @ Hamburg - b&s over head
BR&P / B&S @ Springville - b&s over head north of village

Also, while not still in use, the BSOR has another industrial diamond. On the property of the old psychiatric hospital (correctional facility now) there was a spur to the coal tipple that crosses the south leg of the wye near Gowanda. It is still there but has not been used in a long time.

Pat

[siliconwafer]

There are two active diamonds in Niagara Falls in industrial trackage between Buffalo Ave and the Robert Moses. This area contains a very interesting network of industrial trackage and would be a lot of fun to model!

http://goo.gl/maps/WtIjV

http://goo.gl/maps/bBRP2

[lvrr325]

Interesting how both of those diamonds involve connections to industrial spurs that use part of the interurban right of way - that could have been connected to one another that way as well as the roundabout way they use now.

[Train Detainer]

Scot -

Two corrections to your 'gone' list. #13 - There were two diamond locations originally at BD/Liberty Street for D&H to cross the Erie, to get to DL&W toward the east and west. Also, #18 - Erie/DL&W did not cross with diamonds at Chemung. DL&W went up and over the Erie on a through truss bridge, known to DL men as Nine Mile Bridge. West of the bridge, there was a high fill that is now part of NY17/I-86 east bound lanes, all the way back to where the curve towards the geographical west started. East of the bridge the DL wrapped around the end of that low hill as it hugged the south side of the valley to pass through Wilawanna. You can still see the DL ROW fairly good this time of year as you drive east on 86. I have a pic of the bridge around here somewhere.

One update/correction for the 'still' list - Buffalo diamond you refer to was Nickel Plate/South Buffalo, two tracks each (4 diamonds, on a curve), now just one diamond on CSX track 2 for the N&W Westbound, as it was called for years, within CP-Draw. The BSOR connection at CP-Draw is a switch (#25 IIRC) off of Main 2 just west of the diamond. There is another diamond still in service just a few hundred feet away within CP-2, where the Ohio Street Lead crosses Main 3 between CP-Draw and the Lehigh Westbound hand switch.

I didn't go back very far in this list, but other locations I don't see on the list are Petersburg Junction - Rutland/B&M, Corning AQ tower - NYC(Fall Brook)/Erie (both two tracks), Kingston - U&D/West Shore and Cambell Hall - Erie/Erie and NYOW/Erie. There are dozens of others ......

G.

[lvrr325]

For the gone file: LV over West Shore, Canastota. While the LV went up a ramp and crossed the NYC mainline on a bridge, it crossed the West Shore on a diamond until about 1960 when the NYC tracks through town were elevated.