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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by ProRail » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:59 pm

I fear that with G&U, MassCentral, and if/when NBRR comes to fruition, there won't be enough transload business in western Worcester County to support all 3.

Oh - I am sure there are "studies" and "potential customers" but a few things to take into consideration:

1) The Class 1s always get the biggest piece of the revenue on each carload
2) The origin shipping railroad, if not a Class 1, gets the next big piece - so it is imperative for any shortline to have that OUTBOUND freight since it has the biggest affect on net income

I just hope the short-line revival does not quickly turn into market saturation.

I can see a scenario since transloading requires minimal capital expenditure on the part of the shippers, that a shipper can play all 3 railroads off each other and just keep driving the rates down. And you can be sure the Class 1's won't take it out of their cut.

As the end result will be wasted capital and lost jobs.

And this is based on my own experience in this type of business I have dealt with in New England, New York and the Maritimes.
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by MaineCoonCat » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:16 pm

ILUVEB wrote:As before, regarding the claim we (yes WE) have the substantiation we need.
IMHO, Until you produce said substantiation your testimony is of dubious veracity at best.
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Tower35 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:14 pm

Throughout this entire discussion, "WE" has NOT produced any documentation or links to it here or elsewhere probably because they have NONE. This is just a disgruntled encroaching abutter of the ROW blowing a lot of hot air.

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by ILUVEB » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:10 pm

Oh, there's plenty of time for that. After all, the imminent project (circa 2011) is quite stillborn. We know the cards in our hand. You can think "probably" at your peril. You can think "hot air" at your own risk. Truly, we have produced far more documentation than NBRR or DB. No need to give it away here. Like I posted before, you are choosing to go to the wall on this fight, and you have absolutely no idea with whom you are tangling. We will not go away silently on this, and that's a promise.

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by dcm74 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:30 pm

If you are so certain why don't you produce an ICC Docket No.? That could put an end to the discussion on whether the NBRR is officially abandoned or only that service has been discontinued.

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:28 pm

ILUVEB wrote:Oh, there's plenty of time for that. After all, the imminent project (circa 2011) is quite stillborn. We know the cards in our hand. You can think "probably" at your peril. You can think "hot air" at your own risk. Truly, we have produced far more documentation than NBRR or DB. No need to give it away here. Like I posted before, you are choosing to go to the wall on this fight, and you have absolutely no idea with whom you are tangling. We will not go away silently on this, and that's a promise.
Should we continue waiting with baited breath another 3 years and 3 days for whose army to show its hand...seeing how that is almost straight copy/paste from what we/them/youze guys wrote on this very thread in 2012:

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They didn't seem to want to answer a simple question back then, either. I guess them thar people over here better talk to them thar people over there and see whozits' running we's Internet Tough Guy PR ship. I'd hate to think the night shift logged onto their collective RR.net troll account, forgot to read what theyall wrote 3 years ago, and made themselves look silly all over again. That's just poor internal communication, heyyouthere.

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Cosmo » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:34 pm

ILUVEB wrote:Oh, there's plenty of time for that. After all, the imminent project (circa 2011) is quite stillborn. We know the cards in our hand. You can think "probably" at your peril. You can think "hot air" at your own risk. Truly, we have produced far more documentation than NBRR or DB. No need to give it away here. Like I posted before, you are choosing to go to the wall on this fight, and you have absolutely no idea with whom you are tangling. We will not go away silently on this, and that's a promise.
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by MaineCoonCat » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:00 pm

Is ILUVEB possibly the new identity of Baghdad Bob?? "I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day."..
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Cosmo » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:01 pm

Sounds like somebody is projecting juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee little bit. :wink:
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Jeff Smith » Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:29 pm

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Mikejf » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:32 pm

Cosmo wrote: Smythe,... is that YOU Smythe? :P
Too funny Cosmo.

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Cosmo » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:00 pm

Mikejf wrote:
Cosmo wrote: Smythe,... is that YOU Smythe? :P
Too funny Cosmo.
Ok, if this were FACEBOOK there's a whole lot of commentary I could be posting along with a few choice memes,.... but I respect the wishes of the moderators.
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by MEC407 » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:34 pm

Moderator Note:

Some of you were wondering why I didn't take action on this thread sooner, when it started to get weird.

Here's why: because I moderate 7 forums, each one with hundreds of topics and tens of thousands of posts. I don't have time to read every single post. I actually do try to read them all, which is more than most moderators do (or are expected to do), but occasionally a post or a topic will slip past me. I'm not omnipotent. :P

Jeff apparently was made aware of it before I was. I'm not sure if someone sent him a PM about it or if he stumbled onto it; regardless, I appreciate that he took the time to step in and calm the situation.

As Jeff said, if there's ever a problem or concern, please use the Report Post function. That way it'll be brought to the immediate attention of me or Jeff, and action can be taken as warranted.
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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Sir Ray » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:50 pm

MEC407 wrote:Moderator Note:I'm not omnipotent
Well, there's your problem - you need to be omniscient (all knowing), not omnipotent (all powerful).

Anyway, after I did that Google view over of the area and saw one, maybe two potential customer sites at most, perhaps the N. Brookfield guys should give up on this idea and try to buy the Medford branch from PAR - at least we know there are potential clients down that ways...

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Re: North Brookfield RR

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:53 pm

My intrusion was related to the fact that I think I've posted in this thread before, so it popped up on my radar. I don't purposely moderate other's forums unless I see something. MEC does a great job. So my moderation was more in support of MEC, not a substitute.

We don't mind opposing opinions or opposition (thesaurus exhausted). But I could see it was taunting bordering on threats. I'm a put up or shut up kind of guy. I have no opinion on this operation other than my general pro-rail bias.
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