Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jackinbox1 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:45 pm

I personally do think so, but I'm glad your respectful of opinions.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by newpylong » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:01 pm

Jackinbox1 wrote:
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:I know this thread isn't about debating facts or anything, so I'll just leave this here.

Populations

Salem, NH - 28,776
Windham, NH - 13,592
Derry, NH - 33,109
Londonderry, NH - 24,129
TOTAL: 96,606


Nashua, NH - 87,259
Merrimack, NH - 25,494
Bedford, NH - 21,203
TOTAL: 133,956



This is the main problem with the NH Main?
what i meant was "Problem with NH Main in consideration with our current discussion, the M&L" The NH Main is a great place for CR, but it doesn't serve M&l communities.
If you want to be able to walk down the block and hop on, move to MA. All of the towns along the M&L are a managable distance from a restored NH Division or even Haverhill line. There is no money for it.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by CRail » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:13 pm

newpylong wrote:If you want to be able to walk down the block and hop on, move to MA. All of the towns along the M&L are a managable distance from a restored NH Division or even Haverhill line. There is no money for it.
People from Massachusetts have been moving into that region to get away from Massachusetts only to turn it into Massachusetts for decades. There are massive transportation upgrades going on in that region because of the exploding population. Of course there's money for it.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by F-line to Dudley via Park » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:11 pm

NHDOT just raided its bridge repair fund to help pay for the I-93 widening, so they most definitely are not rolling in money despite the population increases. They're up to their eyeballs in infrastructure funding shortfalls, enough to have made the short-sighted executive decision to enter into massive deferred maintenance for the sake of one megaproject and let the next generation figure out how to dig out from it. Surely a sound strategy based on the long-term results from neighboring states that attempted the same. They'll be staring at 2 decades of pulling out of a hole at twice the price because of one decade of deferrals on a lot of old bridges and chewed-up roads. Where exactly is that revenue going to come from when costs are rising much faster than population? New taxes?...in New Hampshire???

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Rockingham Racer » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:02 am

CRail wrote:
newpylong wrote:If you want to be able to walk down the block and hop on, move to MA. All of the towns along the M&L are a managable distance from a restored NH Division or even Haverhill line. There is no money for it.
People from Massachusetts have been moving into that region to get away from Massachusetts only to turn it into Massachusetts for decades. There are massive transportation upgrades going on in that region because of the exploding population. Of course there's money for it.
Being a former native of that area, I would be very interested to know more specifics on the massive transportation upgrades. Are you talking public transit, or highways?

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Post by Rockingham Racer » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:04 am

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:...... Where exactly is that revenue going to come from when costs are rising much faster than population? New taxes?...in New Hampshire???
No problem, there. Just raise the meal, hotel and rental car taxes. Hits the tourists more than the residents. :wink:

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by NHV 669 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:07 am

A resort that's been dead close to five years (The Balsams) can get almost $30 million in a snap from the governor....... anything's possible to fund these days.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by MEC407 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:12 am

Residents there don't eat out?
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by newpylong » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:06 am

NHV 669 wrote:A resort that's been dead close to five years (The Balsams) can get almost $30 million in a snap from the governor....... anything's possible to fund these days.

No, the State (Business Finance Authority) is merely guaranteeing the loan between the developer and the bank. If they default, the state gets the assets. It is not the same as directly loaning them the money and surely a different realm than commuter rail funding.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by CRail » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:10 am

Rockingham Racer wrote:Being a former native of that area, I would be very interested to know more specifics on the massive transportation upgrades. Are you talking public transit, or highways?
You can't be a former native, you're either a native or you aren't. 93 is a big one, Boston Express service, Route 3 in MA is another (serves the Nashua region), funding to NNEPRA, expression in freight rail interest (F-Line will try and convince you that an RFP proves they don't want what they were seeking a bidder for), Nashua/Manchester commuter rail proposals... Derry was woods when I lived there, current highly developed main drags were thickly wooded side streets and connectors. I don't even recognize it when I go back. Southern NH is not the rural pasture it used to be. The highway infrastructure is proving very insufficient, and the sprawl isn't over. It takes some serious short sighted thinking to be blind to what's going on. It's not unwise to doubt the M&L, but it's not feasible to understand the already decades old trend and stubbornly insist that it's conceptually impossible. Put your crystal balls away now, they're broken.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Rockingham Racer » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:49 am

LOL. Yeah, I had a second thought on the "former native" phrase!

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:20 pm

CRail wrote:
Rockingham Racer wrote:Being a former native of that area, I would be very interested to know more specifics on the massive transportation upgrades. Are you talking public transit, or highways?
You can't be a former native, you're either a native or you aren't. 93 is a big one, Boston Express service, Route 3 in MA is another (serves the Nashua region), funding to NNEPRA, expression in freight rail interest (F-Line will try and convince you that an RFP proves they don't want what they were seeking a bidder for), Nashua/Manchester commuter rail proposals... Derry was woods when I lived there, current highly developed main drags were thickly wooded side streets and connectors. I don't even recognize it when I go back. Southern NH is not the rural pasture it used to be. The highway infrastructure is proving very insufficient, and the sprawl isn't over. It takes some serious short sighted thinking to be blind to what's going on. It's not unwise to doubt the M&L, but it's not feasible to understand the already decades old trend and stubbornly insist that it's conceptually impossible. Put your crystal balls away now, they're broken.
*, are you capable of posting at all without making a personal attack? Grow up, please.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by newpylong » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:24 pm

CRail wrote:
Rockingham Racer wrote:Being a former native of that area, I would be very interested to know more specifics on the massive transportation upgrades. Are you talking public transit, or highways?
You can't be a former native, you're either a native or you aren't. 93 is a big one, Boston Express service, Route 3 in MA is another (serves the Nashua region), funding to NNEPRA, expression in freight rail interest (F-Line will try and convince you that an RFP proves they don't want what they were seeking a bidder for), Nashua/Manchester commuter rail proposals... Derry was woods when I lived there, current highly developed main drags were thickly wooded side streets and connectors. I don't even recognize it when I go back. Southern NH is not the rural pasture it used to be. The highway infrastructure is proving very insufficient, and the sprawl isn't over. It takes some serious short sighted thinking to be blind to what's going on. It's not unwise to doubt the M&L, but it's not feasible to understand the already decades old trend and stubbornly insist that it's conceptually impossible. Put your crystal balls away now, they're broken.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jackinbox1 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:26 pm

Just because a corridor is becoming a trail doesn't mean it will prevent the rail from coming back.
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