Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by NHV 669 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:42 am

Regardless, the airport isn't going anywhere. And relocating that RoW would involve my favorite word regarding infrastructure spending/improvements:

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by djlong » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:58 am

When I see the first project that restores rails to a right-of-way that has been pulled up and paved over as much as the M&L has been, while there are ACTIVE rail lines just 12 miles west through the 3 most populous cities in the state - *then* I'll believe that we'll see train through Salem again someday.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jackinbox1 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:20 pm

The main problem with looking towards the NH main is that, as is the point of this discussion entirely, does not go next to I93, one of the most heavily traveled highways in the state. it does not go through Salem, Windham, Derry, and Londonderry either.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:57 pm

I know this thread isn't about debating facts or anything, so I'll just leave this here.

Populations

Salem, NH - 28,776
Windham, NH - 13,592
Derry, NH - 33,109
Londonderry, NH - 24,129
TOTAL: 96,606


Nashua, NH - 87,259
Merrimack, NH - 25,494
Bedford, NH - 21,203
TOTAL: 133,956



This is the main problem with the NH Main?

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by b&m 1566 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:56 pm

That doesn't even take into account the neighboring towns for either corridor.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:26 pm

b&m 1566 wrote:That doesn't even take into account the neighboring towns for either corridor.
That too. Let's go 1 town adjacent. Litchfield, Auburn, Goffstown omitted just like Manchester because they're common catchments to both lines.

Pelham, NH - 12,897
Atkinson, NH* - 6,751
Hampstead, NH - 8,253
Sandown, NH - 5,986
Chester, NH - 4,768
TOTAL: 38,655 + 96,606 = 135,261
*would've been served by Plaistow on Haverhill Line if project not canceled by local NH residents. Could still be served by Haverhill Line if MBTA takes the "Alternative 3" layover yard site just inside the Haverhill/Atkinson state line and plunks a last stop at Rosemont St.


Hudson, NH - 24,467
Hollis, NH - 7,684
Amherst, NH - 11,201
TOTAL: 43,352 + 133,956 = 177,308



Now, if you really want to have some fun, go find some numbers from the 93 study showing what % of all that Interstate-clogging traffic slamming the state line is originating from which rail line's unique catchment towns, and what % is originating from the shared-catchment towns...including that rather large city up at the top.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jackinbox1 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:32 pm

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:I know this thread isn't about debating facts or anything, so I'll just leave this here.

Populations

Salem, NH - 28,776
Windham, NH - 13,592
Derry, NH - 33,109
Londonderry, NH - 24,129
TOTAL: 96,606


Nashua, NH - 87,259
Merrimack, NH - 25,494
Bedford, NH - 21,203
TOTAL: 133,956



This is the main problem with the NH Main?
what i meant was "Problem with NH Main in consideration with our current discussion, the M&L" The NH Main is a great place for CR, but it doesn't serve M&l communities.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jonathan » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:15 pm

djlong wrote:When I see the first project that restores rails to a right-of-way that has been pulled up and paved over as much as the M&L has been, while there are ACTIVE rail lines just 12 miles west through the 3 most populous cities in the state - *then* I'll believe that we'll see train through Salem again someday.
I respectfully disagree. It can't be done.

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by NHV 669 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:40 pm

A whole three towns larger than Lebanon (13,5k) on the entire route, and that's supposed to float a whole corridor? The state isn't going to spend millions of dollars restoring a connection to a few mosquito bites, when it already has it's two largest targets on active rails...
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by F-line to Dudley via Park » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:09 pm

I was going to post the numbers for the towns served by both lines' catchments, but then got distracted by something shiny. :wink:

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jackinbox1 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:33 pm

NHV 669 wrote:A whole three towns larger than Lebanon (13,5k) on the entire route, and that's supposed to float a whole corridor? The state isn't going to spend millions of dollars restoring a connection to a few mosquito bites, when it already has it's two largest targets on active rails...
I could bring up another thing that can help "float" it, but then i would get disagreements and "thats stupid. Your stupid!" Left and right from everyone except CRail.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jonathan » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 pm

@Jackinbox1: That's not true. It might be worth mentioning.

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Post by BostonUrbEx » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:01 pm

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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jackinbox1 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:33 pm

And that's why I don't want to mention it. Beating the same horse.
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Re: Manchester-Lawrence still in use (Freight Discussion)?

Post by Jonathan » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:32 pm

Point taken. Don't want to get in to a fight. You're entitled your opinion. I don't think that it will happen. What about you??

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