Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by craven » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:35 am

Update 14 Sep.

Four bricks of Ties in the Hopedale Yard.

Grader has worked the row and welded rail dropped from the bridge to Green St.

Looks like a new switch being installed in the Hopedale yard.


John, You are correct...I meant Hopedale Yard in the above mentioned post.

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:35 am

Here are a few photos showing the continued development of the G&U around Hopedale:

New turnout being constructed to connect the mainline to one or more future yard tracks
G&U New switch Hopedale 092119 small.jpg

Ties in place for a new siding
G&U ties for new siding Hopedale 092119 small.jpg

Rail strings dropped east of Hopedale St bridge. Rail strings are also dropped along RoW from this location to Green St although stone and ties have yet to be put in place
G&U west view of RoW east of Hopedale St bridge 092119 small.jpg
Progress is being made!
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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by Trainman14 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:15 am

Hi, I have been reading this thread for the past month or so, is the G and U expanding its yard? Or is it gaining more mileage or both?

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:16 am

Trainman14: yes increased transload traffic has caused G&U to expand its yards at N Grafton, W Upton, and now Hopedale. And G&U ownership has aspirations to re-establish the original south end connection to the MBTA track at Milford, MA presumably to access a few more customers at Milford and Forge Park.

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by Trainman14 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:48 am

Interesting, thank you very much👍

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by Runthrough » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:02 pm

Just curious where u get your info from? Radar silence from the railroad otherwise? I never any announcements

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:15 am

My info sources for the traffic increases leading to yard expansions along G&U come from public sources such as news articles and eyeball observations of the line over the past 5 years. Links to these news articles are published in earlier entries in this forum. And eyeball observations of G&U's installation of track/crossbucks at road crossings between current end of track at Hopedale and Milford a few years back plus a slow build-out of new track are pretty compelling evidence that G&U wants to reach the MBTA at Milford.

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by Runthrough » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:43 am

Thank you! Interesting little railroad. I was able to find a timeline and fact sheet about the railroad last night. They’ve done a nice job bringing it back to life.

Check it out if you’re not familiar http://www.hope1842.com/gumenu.html

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by b&m 1566 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:44 am

Why and how does the MBTA own trackage in Milford? Sorry for going off topic but taking a look at the map, it appears both ROW's heading east and north out of Milford appear to be severed (ROW property sold off), so there's no direct commuter rail route for Milford coming/going in the direction of Boston. I know there's no future plans for commuter rail in Milford, so my question is, did the state get suckered into buy up a line that's completely useless to them in terms of commuter rail, or was it necessary for them to purchase it in order to keep freight service active on the line?

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by bostontrainguy » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:01 am

The MBTA runs commuter rail to Franklin which is a few miles short of the end of line in Milford. Once G&U extends it's tracks to the MBTA/CSX tracks just south of Milford Center it will be connected at that end.
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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by pumpers » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:19 am

155 acres would be one heck of a yard - that's 1/4 square mile. G&U is thinking big!
So it could be 2 miles long and 1/8 mile (220 yards , about 2 football field lengths) wide.
Does anyone know how that compares to other yards, such as the old Beacon Park?

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by bostontrainguy » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:21 am

Playing around with Google Earth, Beacon Park looks to be about 3100 feet / 1,000 yards long and 750 feet / 240 yards wide excluding the leads.
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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:35 pm

b&M 1566 - I don't know with authority the ownership of the current track in Milford (MaDOT 2018 Rail Plan says it's owned by CSX) but the only operator of trains into Milford AFAIK is MBTA who runs a periodic inspection trip to the end of track across Depot St. CSX no longer has any freight activity in Milford since Ardagh Mfg closed in spring 2018. And the track work that has been done in terms of relocating what should become the G&U connection switch and rebuilding the S Cedar St grade crossing was all done using MBTA equipment. So I'm guessing MBTA / MaDOT is the owner? And I believe MaDOT owns the CSX former Framingham Secondary track over which CSX runs freight traffic to Walpole/Mansfield/Readville etc.

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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by MaineCoonCat » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:47 pm

According to "Oliver", "New York Central Lines, LLC" in MIlford.. At the Hopedale town line it becomes "Pennsylvania Central Trans Co." Note that "Oliver"'s ownership data comes from the local municipality's Assessors..
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milford CSX ROW.PNG
Milford CSX ROW 2.PNG
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Re: Grafton & Upton Railroad (G&U) Discussion

Post by MaineCoonCat » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:10 pm

ADDENDUM TO ABOVE
In Bellingham, "Oliver" does not have the ownership data..
Milford CSX ROW 4.PNG
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