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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

 by JeffK ¦  Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:22 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"? ¦  Replies: 995 ¦  Views: 188462

They use the it is a discount not a surcharge defense. Yes, I'd forgotten how they pulled a verbal switcheroo around (IIRC) 2013. Before that the ticket-office fare was the "standard" rate with the surcharge being applied only to on-board payments. It was turned upside-down to redefine th...

Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

 by JeffK ¦  Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:07 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"? ¦  Replies: 995 ¦  Views: 188462

Another reason for not having working Ticket Vending Machines at train stations is the loss of On-board surcharge revenue. That's more true than you might think. The amount's probably less now but at one point I read an estimate that the on-board surcharge was bringing in upwards of $1.5 million an...

Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

 by JeffK ¦  Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:01 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"? ¦  Replies: 995 ¦  Views: 188462

All those stations are within Center City Proper minus 69th street, and I'm not going to 69th street for a keycard. ... what I'm saying is if the point of mass transit is to move everybody having an architecture that's hostile to the non-regular riding public it creates an unneeded burden. I have h...

Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

 by JeffK ¦  Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:33 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"? ¦  Replies: 995 ¦  Views: 188462

lensovet wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:36 pm There's no need to repost the same content verbatim a few weeks later. We all read it the first time around.
Apologies, but there's no way of knowing who's read past posts.

Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

 by JeffK ¦  Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:14 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"? ¦  Replies: 995 ¦  Views: 188462

I can't speak to what "cut-throat" tactics are involved, but as someone who's followed the Key fiasco - yes, that word - since its inception I can cite just a few examples: They violated basic principles of system design: - Rather than learning from other systems' successes and failures, t...

Re: R1 airport train

 by JeffK ¦  Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:13 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: R1 airport train ¦  Replies: 6 ¦  Views: 1083

I was able to find these two links (while giving thanks to Google's assistance fixing my failed attempts to spell Professor Vuchic's name 😄) https://academic-accelerator.com/encyclopedia/septa-regional-rail#section_10 https://www.reddit.com/r/philadelphia/comments/12dn7jv/septa_regional_rail_questio...

Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

 by JeffK ¦  Thu Jan 25, 2024 2:13 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"? ¦  Replies: 995 ¦  Views: 188462

I posted before about how the Key Card system sounded ridiculous and Rube Goldbergian (incredibly complicated) to me. Yesterday, I had my first in-person contact with it, and it's worse than I had anticipated. As someone who spent most of his career building large IT systems, I watched creation of ...

Re: SEPTA Expression of Interest Silverliner VI procurement

 by JeffK ¦  Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:50 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA Expression of Interest Silverliner VI procurement ¦  Replies: 19 ¦  Views: 3497

That sounds familiar to me too. IIRC there were questions about how the revision was handled. If my shaky memory is correct it was a bit squirrely, something to the effect that Kawasaki had the optimum bid based on a combination of cost and build quality, but Rotem came in with a lower final cost if...

Re: 14 More ticket offices to close.

 by JeffK ¦  Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:39 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: 14 More ticket offices to close. ¦  Replies: 6 ¦  Views: 813

ryan92084 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:27 am Extra rough on the customers that they are doing it in the winter. Several of these were short on sales but packed full in the cold.
Plus it's being done before e-payments will be implemented for RRD customers ... but of course it means more on-board penalties to bolster the bottom line. 😡😡

Re: Septa Trolley Modernization - Alstom Fleet

 by JeffK ¦  Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:28 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: Septa Trolley Modernization - Alstom Fleet ¦  Replies: 120 ¦  Views: 18944

Regauging dozens of miles of track, especially with most being street running, would be hugely disruptive. Major sections would need to be shut down concurrently until the work was completed, including all S-S lines. As far as dual gauge is concerned, my understanding has long been that the steam ra...

Board Chairman Pat Deon to Retire

 by JeffK ¦  Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:20 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: Board Chairman Pat Deon to Retire ¦  Replies: 0 ¦  Views: 383

Re: New Levittown Station

 by JeffK ¦  Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:20 am ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: New Levittown Station ¦  Replies: 7 ¦  Views: 838

Thanks guys. I hope SEPTA will at some point install Key Vending Machines at Levittown and Langhorne. Otherwise how will passengers be able to get Key cards at those stations where they now buy them from the ticket agents? Limiting access to purchasing by only having the machines at Center City sta...

Re: Obscure Facts about SEPTA

 by JeffK ¦  Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:09 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: Obscure Facts about SEPTA ¦  Replies: 38 ¦  Views: 4444

Septa has sold naming rights for stations to local health systems and also a local convenience store. Though said convenience store got scammed by SEPTA because the station that's named for said convenience store had that name before the station closed down in the 1980s. Except that Wawa Markets is...

Re: SEPTA to possibly rename as SEPTA Metro

 by JeffK ¦  Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:30 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA to possibly rename as SEPTA Metro ¦  Replies: 10 ¦  Views: 1166

I also think it was a bad idea to introduce "Norristown Transportation Center" and then use DeKalb St. for a different station (Hughes Park or King Manor?). Some room for misunderstanding there. That change does nothing but add to the existing problem of NHSL/P&W stations having the s...

Re: SEPTA to possibly rename as SEPTA Metro

 by JeffK ¦  Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:06 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: SEPTA to possibly rename as SEPTA Metro ¦  Replies: 10 ¦  Views: 1166

I will still call it the P&W or R100!!!! I too refer to it as the P&W because it has far more history than SEPTA's attempts to operate the line like a railbus. That said I strenuously avoid the "R100" moniker because I saw too many times when both riders and the media confused it ...

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