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Re: Septa, please keep the K-cars in service!

 by Myrtone ¦  Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:17 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: Septa, please keep the K-cars in service! ¦  Replies: 65 ¦  Views: 32757

I hope we're not getting something that ugly. It's bad enough that the new fleet will be low-floors. If it is bad enough that the new fleet will be low floor, do fixed trucks make it worse. Imagine this conversation: Enthusiast: I saw an article on Setpa's order for new trolley cars and I saw the i...

Re: Septa Trolley Modernization - Alstom Fleet

 by Myrtone ¦  Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:09 pm ¦  Forum: SEPTA (and PATCO) ¦  Topic: Septa Trolley Modernization - Alstom Fleet ¦  Replies: 120 ¦  Views: 19457

But it seems the Ottawa variant have pivoting bogies while the Philadelphia one will have fixed bogies.

Okay but is it line-of-sight or block working?

If, say signals are only at junctions, such as crossovers, and give no indication of whether the line ahead is clear, that is drive-on-sight, block signalling does give indication of the state of the line ahead. When sharing a road with manually steered vehicles, they must be driven on sight. The tr...

So how come it is higher in North America? A lot of things are generally larger (houses, stores, passenger cars, trains, streets, etc) and that apparently includes light rail vehicles. If they are generally heavier, then then braking distances would be greater at a given speed.

Germany's street railway and light rail construction and operating ordinance sets 43.5mph as the highest speed limit on drive-on-sight trackage for light rail and for buses on rails. This is less than the speeds at which similar sized heavy road vehicles are driven on freeways and these, of course a...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 am ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

eolesen wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:07 am There is no "might be permanently disabled". She -is- permanently disabled. I see daily what she's capable of.
Sorry you misunderstood my words. I meant I acknowledge what you told me while noting something about comments on accessibility.

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:34 pm ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

If you're taking two or more steps up, it's a vintage streetcar. If you're taking less than two steps up, it's a tram. But the Portland and Toronto examples I gave are low floor and apparently still seem to be called streetcars in North American English. I don't recall the source, but from memory, ...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:29 pm ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

Even if you can get all the operators to agree to a single width (gap) measurement for level boarding, you still have to get them to agree to a single floor or platform height measurement for level boarding to work. Streetcars come in many variations with different floor heights requiring different...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:00 am ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

The standards I was referring to are the standards set under the Americans with Disabilities Act and are referred to in the APTA guides you claim to have read. No, I said I checked those guides, not that I read even most of them, they are quite long. Show us the proposition with real values instead...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:38 am ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

Your original post calls out cost reduction as a primary reason to have this standard, and the APTA guidelines call out using existing standard widths to reduce costs, so there are two mutually exclusive solutions to controlling rolling stock procurement costs (yours and APTAs). Unless you can show...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:29 pm ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

I checked that Modern Streetcar Vehicle Guideline and it does mention what it calls door threshold extensions for narrower vehicles to bridge wider gaps. According to the guideline, the European vehicle market has three standard widths, these being 7'6.5'', 7'10.5, and 8'8.3. It also claims the majo...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:45 pm ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

Also in Europe, and more recently, Dresden ordered wider streetcars than their existing fleet , but these are still the existing width at the platform height to fit existing platforms. Apparently modifying the platforms would require existing streetcars to be retrofitted with sliding steps and accor...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:46 pm ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

Seems like you're trying to solve for a problem that's not really a problem. You don't seem to be getting the issue with level boarding I am trying to address. If, say, the platforms are only 4 feet from the centers of the tracks, then anything wider than 8 feet simply cannot pass them. But anythin...

Re: A standard streetcar width?

 by Myrtone ¦  Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:02 am ¦  Forum: General Discussion - Passenger Rail: High Speed and Heavy and Light Rail Systems ¦  Topic: A standard streetcar width? ¦  Replies: 49 ¦  Views: 2665

But it is not actually forcing a standard body width, just platform clearance. Narrow vehicles could still dwell at the same platforms if fitted with platform buffers at the doors. I understand there are other factors that drive streetcar specification but does that have something to do with differe...

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