trainhq wrote:
Had a chance to ride some of the newer 2 2 seating double deckers on the L.A. Metrolink. They're very nice; quiet, comfortable and spacious, and they have restrooms. Clearly better than the current T 3 2 double deckers. Pity the T couldn't get some of those too, but they're too cheap, always trying to cram more people in for less money.
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ST214 wrote:
These could come with 2-2 seating, but the T IS too cheap. The VRE and MARC cars are very close to the T's(They were designed off the T's blueprints). They have 2-2 seating. VRE's cars even have carpet!!!
Let me get this straight. The MBTA has practically every train in the morning and afternoon rushes at SRO (Standing Room Only) conditions, and you guys want to
reduce seating capacity?!?!? That is one of the most odd things I've heard here in a while...
octr202 wrote:
The MBTA faces numerous constraints when it comes to increasing train consists, from track space at downtown terminals to the layover yards (or lack thereof) around the system. Without crunching numbers myself, going to 2&2 seating would probably add one-two cars to every rush hour consist -- even if the money for the cars is there, eventually the track space would become an issue.
It's not only that. If you keep adding cars, your performance out on the main lines (already poor) gets worse and worse, leading to later trains and longer commute times. This also results in less trains on the main.
The rail system around here (southeast Mass.) is pretty much tapped out for capacity on the main (why do some Franklin trains go up the Dorchester and miss Back Bay, a very popular station? Maybe...lack of capacity?). Once you add the Fall River/New Bedford and the Greenbush lines, the Shore Line between Readville and Back Bay and the Old Colony main north of Braintree will be chock full.
If you don't believe me, try using the Train Dispatcher computer game, made by the people who make the real thing. Load in all the current trains on an accurate track plan, and hit the "go" button. Trust me, it ain't easy trying to balance slow MBTA trains with 150mph Acelas, or try to cram three commuter lines onto one track. My copy was made by my next door neighbor, an ex-New Haven Operator who likes to keep current.
To give you an idea on how busy it is out there, South Station has just as many trains in and out of it now as it did in 1941 (and with less than half the track capacity in the terminal).
The point here, guys, is that the MBTA CR is a very, very busy system (4th largest?). If you want a ride into Boston with a better chance of a seat, ride a 3-2 MBTA coach.