Kamen Rider wrote:Look, I know the people at transit who make these kinds of decisions. they've got a rather long list of things you can't do on the subway, why are you so dam sure that they will listen to you and make one huge exception for your needs.
Because it's not just me, and it's not just my needs, and I'm hardly suggesting that I alone am going to get this done. But sooner or later, it'll happen. I probably won't even play a significant role.
they ticketed a pregant lady who sat down on the steps.
So your point is that they're assholes?
I could get a ticket if I put my bag on the seat next to me.
True, though tens of thousands of people do it every day without getting ticketed. I have no problem with people taking up seats on a crowded rush hour train being ticketed for that. But we're not talking about rush hour here.
Sure, "boston does it", but that doesn't automaticly mean it will work here.
Boston, Seattle (on buses and streetcars), Paris, London, Rome, Berlin, Melbourne, Toronto--but hey, just because it works EVERYWHERE IT'S TRIED doesn't mean it'll work here, because New York is the worst city in the world.
Was that your point?
The MTA is the text book definition of murphy's law. anything that can go wrong, not only will go wrong, but already has gone wrong. Just about every other city in the country has mainline OPTO or ATO, but here the union throws a tantrum. If they did change the rules, all it would take is one incedent and the whole thing would go up in smoke. If the doors shut on the dogs' tail, I don't think he would take it very well.
Is there anyone here who knows how to make an argument?
People like you are just one sub section of society.
Pet owners? Yeah, just a measily 63% of the population.
everyone can't have everything they want because there would be some people who would be left out.
Yeah, like pet owners. Now.
simple example, being near some types of dogs gets my allergies to flare up.
We've been over this. Dogs and cats are already allowed on the trains. Being in a well-ventilated bag isn't going to stop pet dander from getting into the air. It's obviously not a problem. Anybody that sensitive should not be on the trains.
why should I have to suffer becuase you want something.
Why should I be denied something because you're a hypochondriac?
I know what you're going to say next "you don't have to be in the car with the dog".
I was going to say something more like "How does someone like you even want to BE in a train?"
I might also point out that the converse is just as much a vaild point, the dog doesn't have to be in the car with me. more so if I go on first and was getting off after. there are people out there who would be much more upset if they saw you get on the subway with your dog then I have gotten. Face it; It's never going to happen.
Face it--it already is happening. Dogs and cats are allowed on the subway in bags. Leashed dogs are allowed on the Metro North. We keep getting stronger and stronger. And most people don't feel the way you do about it.
If you're so sure this is a non-starter, why are you so worried?