• Locomotive price datapoints

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Discussion of Electro-Motive locomotive products and technology, past and present. Official web site can be found here: http://www.emdiesels.com/.

Moderator: GOLDEN-ARM

  by Allen Hazen
 
I'd like to have an idea of how locomotive prices have changed over the years: a bit more detailed than "ever upwards"! Ideally I'd like a table with prices for representative locomotive types at, say, 5 year intervals from the beginnings of dieselization to the present. Information of this sort is VERY hard to come by, at least in reailfan sources: big companies seem to be on the coy side when it comes to talking about dollars and cents. Anyway, for a start I have:

---Late 1940s, Alco RS-1 light roadswitcher: $80,000 (quoted on the "EMD locomotives with Alco trucks string on this forum).

---1958, switchers: $110,000 for an SW-900, $124,000 for an SW-1200 (but EMD would re-engine a Baldwin switcher for you for about $63,000, the BLW switcher being worth around $5,000 in scrap value). (From an article on Reading's re-engined switchers, in the March-April 1996 issue of "Diesel Era".)

---1963, GP-30: $206,000, probably including assorted optional extras (quoted on the "EMD locomtives with Alco trucks" string).

---1972, high-horsepower BB freight units. EMD quoted Chessie $238,000 base price, $270,673 with extras for GP40-2, offering trade-ins from $3,000 for an off-brand switcher to $20,500 for an F-7 or GP-7 (which would have re-usable trucks). GE quoted $255,800 base, $285,000 with extras for a U30B, offering trade-ins of from $7,000 (for switchers) to $13,500 (for six-axle Alcos with lots of re-usable GE electrical gear) to $18,000 for F-7 or GP-7. (Source: James Mischke, in a June 2003 posting to Yahoo's "LocoNotes" forum.)

---June 1977: high-horsepower CC freight units: BN paid $575,885 for C30-7 and their C&S subsidiary paid $565,602 for SD40-2. This is all inclusive, with no trade-in allowance; "The next two C30-7 orders that year were over $600,000, EMD did not pass that level until 1978." (Source; "Wolfgang Luth" in a June 2003 posting to "LocoNotes": message #34677 includes this and the previous.) COMMENT: I recall, from when I was first getting seriously interested in railroading in the early 1970s, an article in "Trains" saying that CC units typically cost about 20% more than BB, but even so we seem ot have five years of double-digit inflation in the mid-1970s. Which, come to think of it, maybe we did!

  by Brad Smith
 
Any numbers you come up with for a given year are sort of meaningless without adjusting for inflation.

  by mxdata
 
Brad makes a very good point here, as the inflation rate varied quite widely over the production runs of some of the most successful and widely produced locomotives. Also note that there is a significant price difference between a locomotive quote at the "base" price and a locomotive equipped with the minimum equipment to meet the operating requirements and union agreements on most railroads, due to the additional equipment needed for compliance. These items typically added another 5 to 8 percent to the price.
  by jr
 
Nickel Plate PA1, 1948 - $205,000
Nickel Plate Road Diesel Locomotives Kevin J. Holland

Baldwin DR-6-4-2000, 1945 $180,025
Baldwin RT624, 1950 $206,200
Baldwin AS616 (no date recorded, but I believe these were produced from about 1950-1956) $174,000
Baldwin Diesel Locomotives Dolzall & Dolzall



The point about inflation is well-taken. However, the fact that the build-year is given with the price, in most cases, gives an implicit accounting for inflation (assuming that one can get access to U.S. inflation figures for the 20th Century).

JR

  by Justin B
 
Here are a few prices adjusted for inflation:

RS1 - $661,830
SW1200 - $813,428
GP30 - $1,258,252
U30B - $1,299,915
GP40-2 - $1,234,568
SD40-2 - $1,835,367
U30C - $1,868,735

(in 2005 dollars)

As you can see, locomotives have always been expensive beasts. Especially the 3000hp CC units... 1.8 million a pop! Makes a SD70M look like almost a bargain...

  by MEC407
 
I can't seem to find it, but there was a press release issued not long ago regarding passenger locomotives for some agency... either NJT or the New Mexico "Roadrunner" commuter rail, I think... and the new locomotives were said to cost about $5 million each. Pretty steep.

  by Allen Hazen
 
Thanks for further data points! (anyone with more, please...)
Comments:

---For some purposes, locomotive dollar prices, uncorrected for inflation, are what I want. This string started when someone on the "EMD locomotives with Alco trucks" gave a figure for the discount EM gave for re-using the trucks from a trade-in: I wanted some idea of what this was relative to the total price. For other purposes, the inflation-corrected prices are interesting. Best would be to have both! (Mind you, "correcting" for inflation is a bit problematic: given the changes in the structure of the economy over time, saying that X 1960 dollars are equal to Y 1990 dollars calls for a judgment that is inevitably somewhat subjective. Comparing prices would be simpler if man lived by bread alone, but he doesn't!)

---Prices for recent commuter locomotives have been ridiculous. Short production runs of non-standard design... Union Pacific, ordering 300 locomotives every year, of models typically running for a decade or so, is in a position to get better prices than a commuter agency asking for ten this year and then maybe ten to a different design in five year's time.
  by Ol' Loco Guy
 
One has to wonder if the pricing on twin engine locomotives accurately reflected the fact that a twin engined loco comprised the equivalent of two locos on one chassis ?

  by N. Todd
 

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: 'Twin Engined Locomotives'
One has to wonder if the pricing on twin engine locomotives accurately reflected the fact that a twin engined loco comprised the equivalent of two locos on one chassis ?
While I don't have and prices on UP's D-D unit, I recall the Alco DH643 (2 engines) ran for about $475K (1962), equivilant of $2.9 million 2005 dollars. Anyone have a price tag off a DDA40X?

  by Phil Hom
 
SD40-2 (Class One railroad - 1979)
(Sample listing)
Base price $584,100
Dynamic Brake 700 amps $35,695
Stanray DC-10 refrigerator $1,675
Prime Wind Deflector $295
Salem awning $340
Vapor Air Conditioning $7,000
EMD snow plow pilot $1,810
Anti-climber $1,435
Microphor LF300 Toilet $4,875
Strip heater in toilet compartment $810
3,900 gal fuel tank with 100 gal retention tank, Snyder 566-2 fill adapter $6,315
Paint Polyurethane $1,610
Arco GL Supreme lub oil $700
Re-enforced low hood $4,680
Chairs with railroad logo $575
Window arm rest $140
Motorola Radio $2,420