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  by R36 Combine Coach
 
Will the older cars be phased by age (the A/Bs from early 1970s first) or the C units first?
  by lpetrich
 
I have no idea. Many of BART's railcars have been refurbished over the years, but I don't know how much difference that will make.

A big reason for getting the new ones is the difficulty of finding spare parts for the existing ones -- many of them have gone out of production over the 45 to 50 years since the oldest cars were built.
  by Fan Railer
 
C cars should be going first, as they have never been overhauled.

On a different note, does anyone know the fleet numbering for the new cars?
  by csor2010
 
Fan Railer wrote:C cars should be going first, as they have never been overhauled.

On a different note, does anyone know the fleet numbering for the new cars?
As far as I know, 3000 series for the D (cab) cars and 4000 series for the E (cabless) cars.
  by YOLO
 
Did anyone figure out the make and model of the propulsion engine? Sounds very similar to the WMATA 1000 trains.
  by tommyboy6181
 
YOLO wrote:Did anyone figure out the make and model of the propulsion engine? Sounds very similar to the WMATA 1000 trains.
It's a Bombardier MITRAC system as the Bombardier site has confirmed this in the past. BART likely has a variant of the MITRAC DR1200 series motor combined with a variant of the MITRAC TC-1410 or TC-1420 IGBT inverter module. They definitely use the MITRAC TCMS for the monitoring system. Now what BART has is not the only system that has a similar sound. Usually most of the propulsion motors/inverters rated at 1000VDC or above will have the higher pitched whine.

Examples of other Bombardier systems sounding similar are below:
Shenzhen Metro (1500VDC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ef_VAhzzE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Guangzhou Metro (1500VDC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki78NHPcT4U&t=1s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Rome Metro (1500VDC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdEockO0mb8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Madrid Metro (1500VDC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVnidJwDC-E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
BART (1000VDC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE5OaurgBeY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The one thing I noticed between all of them is that BART is slightly lower in pitch running 1000 volts of current compared to the other systems running 1500 volts.