by Keenan Wunn
"There's something happening here / What it is ain't exactly clear" --Buffalo Springfield.
Good Morning to All
I live in Chicago where I use the Grayland station (Milwaukee Ave. & Kilbourn) on the Metra
Milwaukee District line to visit the northwest suburbs. Around 8:30am on weekdays a Milwaukee-
bound Amtrak - The Hiawatha - comes through at fast speed. After it passes I can hear the
"clackety-clack" as the cars pass over, first, a single diamond at a defunct spur, then a
triple diamond where it crosses the Union Pacific (UP) northwest line.
I am interested to know the train's speed, so on the morning of September 3, I turned on my phone's
sound recorder to register the event. On playback I noted that, from the time the rear railcar
passed me at Grayland, to the time I could hear the same car pass over the triple UP diamond, 21
seconds had past. Later that day I measured the distance, using Google Earth, from Grayland Sta.
to the UP diamond as approximately one mile (see attachment).
Taking into account that sound requires about five seconds to travel one mile, the real elapsed
time for the train to journey from Grayland to the UP diamond would be only 16 seconds. Now if the
train is travelling one mile in 16 seconds, then I calculate it is traveling at 3.75 miles per
minute (60 sec. / 16 sec.), which converts to 225 mph! ((60 sec. / 16 sec.) * 60 min.) What am I
doing wrong?
I believe the distance measurement on Google Earth to be correct simply by comparing it to the
lengths of the adjacent Chicago city blocks - eight long blocks to the mile. I tested the recorder
against music from the radio. It played back at the same pitch and tempo as the radio, so I
believe the recorder is working correctly. There are no other diamonds or switches on this stretch
of track.
On Sept. 30 I made a second recording with practically the same results (see the summaries below).
One more puzzling item to complete the story. You will note from the recording summaries below
that the sound from the defunct diamond occurs at exactly one half the time as the sound from the
UP diamond. But the defunct diamond is only 0.32 miles from Grayland, where the UP diamond is 1.00
mile away.
Doing the math to determine the speed, 0.32 * 5 seconds = 1.6 seconds for sound travel. So 10.5
seconds (average of two recordings) - 1.6 = 8.9 sec. for train to journey the 0.32 miles. So it
travels one mile in 28 seconds or 2.14 miles per minute which converts to 128 mph. Better, but
still unacceptable. Why the discrepancy in sound travel? I don't know.
Does anybody here live in the Chicago area? Assuming I haven't made a computation error, it would
be helpful if someone could go out and validate my recordings. Repeat measurement would be a good
and necessary first step in an investigation.
Thank you all.
Keen
SUMMARIES OF THE TWO RECORDINGS*
Phone audio file made Sept. 3
min. : sec.
00:00 recording begins
00:44 last car passes Grayland Sta.
00:55 last car passes over a single diamond intersection of a defunct line just south of Irving
Park Rd. (see attached aerial image)
01:05 last car passes over the UP triple diamond.
Phone audio file made Sept. 30
00:00 recording begins
00:39 last car passes Grayland Sta.
00:49 last car passes over a single diamond intersection of a defunct line just south of Irving
Park Rd. (see attached aerial image)
00:59 last car passes over the UP triple diamond.
*These recordings are available to you.
Good Morning to All
I live in Chicago where I use the Grayland station (Milwaukee Ave. & Kilbourn) on the Metra
Milwaukee District line to visit the northwest suburbs. Around 8:30am on weekdays a Milwaukee-
bound Amtrak - The Hiawatha - comes through at fast speed. After it passes I can hear the
"clackety-clack" as the cars pass over, first, a single diamond at a defunct spur, then a
triple diamond where it crosses the Union Pacific (UP) northwest line.
I am interested to know the train's speed, so on the morning of September 3, I turned on my phone's
sound recorder to register the event. On playback I noted that, from the time the rear railcar
passed me at Grayland, to the time I could hear the same car pass over the triple UP diamond, 21
seconds had past. Later that day I measured the distance, using Google Earth, from Grayland Sta.
to the UP diamond as approximately one mile (see attachment).
Taking into account that sound requires about five seconds to travel one mile, the real elapsed
time for the train to journey from Grayland to the UP diamond would be only 16 seconds. Now if the
train is travelling one mile in 16 seconds, then I calculate it is traveling at 3.75 miles per
minute (60 sec. / 16 sec.), which converts to 225 mph! ((60 sec. / 16 sec.) * 60 min.) What am I
doing wrong?
I believe the distance measurement on Google Earth to be correct simply by comparing it to the
lengths of the adjacent Chicago city blocks - eight long blocks to the mile. I tested the recorder
against music from the radio. It played back at the same pitch and tempo as the radio, so I
believe the recorder is working correctly. There are no other diamonds or switches on this stretch
of track.
On Sept. 30 I made a second recording with practically the same results (see the summaries below).
One more puzzling item to complete the story. You will note from the recording summaries below
that the sound from the defunct diamond occurs at exactly one half the time as the sound from the
UP diamond. But the defunct diamond is only 0.32 miles from Grayland, where the UP diamond is 1.00
mile away.
Doing the math to determine the speed, 0.32 * 5 seconds = 1.6 seconds for sound travel. So 10.5
seconds (average of two recordings) - 1.6 = 8.9 sec. for train to journey the 0.32 miles. So it
travels one mile in 28 seconds or 2.14 miles per minute which converts to 128 mph. Better, but
still unacceptable. Why the discrepancy in sound travel? I don't know.
Does anybody here live in the Chicago area? Assuming I haven't made a computation error, it would
be helpful if someone could go out and validate my recordings. Repeat measurement would be a good
and necessary first step in an investigation.
Thank you all.
Keen
SUMMARIES OF THE TWO RECORDINGS*
Phone audio file made Sept. 3
min. : sec.
00:00 recording begins
00:44 last car passes Grayland Sta.
00:55 last car passes over a single diamond intersection of a defunct line just south of Irving
Park Rd. (see attached aerial image)
01:05 last car passes over the UP triple diamond.
Phone audio file made Sept. 30
00:00 recording begins
00:39 last car passes Grayland Sta.
00:49 last car passes over a single diamond intersection of a defunct line just south of Irving
Park Rd. (see attached aerial image)
00:59 last car passes over the UP triple diamond.
*These recordings are available to you.
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