#WeDeserveBetter

"Lies"? You sound like a very angry person. Nobody is lying in the operating departments.

On time performance statistics measure performance against a published standard. You may not agree with the standard or with the title, but you can be assured that the numbers are correct. They are carefully audited by several outside agencies and contracted firms. The standards are open to read to anyone who can understand them. They are the same standards used by commuter rail operations throughout America. Check the MTA's Web Site or write them a letter and they will send you the explanation.

I've never seen a lie about causes of delays. I've seen information withheld when it involved grizzly accidents, or simplified when delays involved technical issues that a layman would not understand. Lies? Never seen that in 40 years.

It is frustrating not knowing when a delayed train you are on will get under way. Nobody has a crystal ball; the best information available is distributed. Problems often multiply, initial reports are often incomplete, emergency efforts sometimes fail. Any projection of a remedy's timeline is just an educated guess.

As far as the doubletalk you read in Newsday, I think the problem is more often caused by the $30K writer of a rag with an axe to grind, or with an inept Public Relations team of NYS MTA political hacks than it is with the operating departments.

Unfortunately, the political leadership is not taking the railroad in the right direction, and your voice should be directed at the Governor's office. The continued staffing of technical positions with "long term unemployed minority job applicants" to foster affirmative action goals, the "dumbing down" of job requirements, to permit easier qualification, the basis of discipline on racial factors, and an overall contempt for any type of skill is the hallmark of political management in a socialist state. Any improvement or increase in standards must begin at the top.

Rememebr I think cancelled and annulled trains are removed from the ontime %

geico wrote:Rememebr I think cancelled and annulled trains are removed from the ontime %

That's a myth.

pparalikia -- "Equipment trouble" "Track trouble" "Signal trouble" "Police activity" ---- What more do you want?

If it is the train you are on maybe the crew is too busy ...assessing the equipment or track problem! ...assisting a sick passenger!...dealing with an unruly one! ...or worse (do you really want a picture)!

If you are following a train that had a problem how many details do you think your crew has?

cam36 --- your printout shows 14 delayed Babylon trains on February 19. There were 164 trains that stopped in Babylon on February 19.

Most of the 14 on printout were for a "track condition" ---- and then you get to a "track work" . Seems like there was a track condition that they became aware of. (I would think that a "track condition" might slow down trains.) They determined what had to be done. They worked to fix it.

Kelly&Kelly wrote:"Lies"? You sound like a very angry person. Nobody is lying in the operating departments.

On time performance statistics measure performance against a published standard. You may not agree with the standard or with the title, but you can be assured that the numbers are correct. They are carefully audited by several outside agencies and contracted firms. The standards are open to read to anyone who can understand them. They are the same standards used by commuter rail operations throughout America. Check the MTA's Web Site or write them a letter and they will send you the explanation.

I've never seen a lie about causes of delays. I've seen information withheld when it involved grizzly accidents, or simplified when delays involved technical issues that a layman would not understand. Lies? Never seen that in 40 years.

It is frustrating not knowing when a delayed train you are on will get under way. Nobody has a crystal ball; the best information available is distributed. Problems often multiply, initial reports are often incomplete, emergency efforts sometimes fail. Any projection of a remedy's timeline is just an educated guess.

As far as the doubletalk you read in Newsday, I think the problem is more often caused by the $30K writer of a rag with an axe to grind, or with an inept Public Relations team of NYS MTA political hacks than it is with the operating departments.

Unfortunately, the political leadership is not taking the railroad in the right direction, and your voice should be directed at the Governor's office. The continued staffing of technical positions with "long term unemployed minority job applicants" to foster affirmative action goals, the "dumbing down" of job requirements, to permit easier qualification, the basis of discipline on racial factors, and an overall contempt for any type of skill is the hallmark of political management in a socialist state. Any improvement or increase in standards must begin at the top.

Lying about OTP: see page pg 40-41 of PDF poster "glugglug" linked on page 1. As author explains, only explanation for such a disparity of six min. late trains is LIRR fraudulently changing trains that are six minutes late to on-time. I have been trying to verify this with LIRR's GTFS-RT feed and so far I have noticed a number of trains magically go from 7 or 8 minutes late to "on-time". No it's not schedule padding, as the author explains schedule padding would effect the line uniformly. It's not a question of the standard or understanding it.

Lying about reasons for delays: this was discussed during the January LIRR committee meeting after there was documented evidence of passengers being lied to in the alerts. I found the report referenced by the board member and here you can see plain as day a train delayed due to not having an engineer became "an equipment problem". Being aware of what the real cause of the problem is and then saying something else = lie. The author found five such instances in 3 days = averages to 609 instances per year. Passengers are being systematically lied to.

There is no distinction or difference between people of different departments. You all work for the same company. A lie by one employee constitutes a lie by the organization and thus all employees. If you don't like that your employer is lying to passengers you need a new employer. If you don't you therefore join in the lie and are as guilty as everyone else.

pparalikia - - Where is "poster 'glugglug'" on page 1 ?

Morisot wrote:pparalikia - - Where is "poster 'glugglug'" on page 1 ?

Pardon, page 2. 4 posts up from bottom.

pparalikia wrote:
There is no distinction or difference between people of different departments. You all work for the same company. A lie by one employee constitutes a lie by the organization and thus all employees. If you don't like that your employer is lying to passengers you need a new employer. If you don't you therefore join in the lie and are as guilty as everyone else.

I was agreeing with you, up until this point. One bad egg doesn't mean everyone is a bad egg. I don't blame train crews for the poor communication from corporate. I have had good experiences (for the most part) with conductors on the trains. Are you saying that one bad cop means the whole department is bad? Or one bad doctor and the hospital is bad?

Kelly&Kelly wrote:"Lies"? You sound like a very angry person. Nobody is lying in the operating departments.

On time performance statistics measure performance against a published standard. You may not agree with the standard or with the title, but you can be assured that the numbers are correct. They are carefully audited by several outside agencies and contracted firms. The standards are open to read to anyone who can understand them. They are the same standards used by commuter rail operations throughout America. Check the MTA's Web Site or write them a letter and they will send you the explanation.

I've never seen a lie about causes of delays. I've seen information withheld when it involved grizzly accidents, or simplified when delays involved technical issues that a layman would not understand. Lies? Never seen that in 40 years.

It is frustrating not knowing when a delayed train you are on will get under way. Nobody has a crystal ball; the best information available is distributed. Problems often multiply, initial reports are often incomplete, emergency efforts sometimes fail. Any projection of a remedy's timeline is just an educated guess.

As far as the doubletalk you read in Newsday, I think the problem is more often caused by the $30K writer of a rag with an axe to grind, or with an inept Public Relations team of NYS MTA political hacks than it is with the operating departments.

Unfortunately, the political leadership is not taking the railroad in the right direction, and your voice should be directed at the Governor's office. The continued staffing of technical positions with "long term unemployed minority job applicants" to foster affirmative action goals, the "dumbing down" of job requirements, to permit easier qualification, the basis of discipline on racial factors, and an overall contempt for any type of skill is the hallmark of political management in a socialist state. Any improvement or increase in standards must begin at the top.

Dumbing down?? All people with time on the RR don't even know or even heard of an entrance test they have to become a trainmen. Cognitive test with flow charts , whats that? You also had a better chance to learn a craft through apprenticeship in the old Railroad. Coach cleaners moved right into Car repairmen. All these things are gone. I don't know how it is when it comes to hiring management. But in the crafts , there is no dumbing down it got harder. Unless your angry about them doing away with nepotism.

We won't attempt cloud your anger with any logical explanation.

If you ever want to lay down your anger, class envy or whatever afflicts you, try an application of Occum's Razor to your argument: A six minute late train can make up thirty seconds. A late arriving engineman experiences equipment trouble. Passengers slow boarding delay a train. These things happen. Everything that doesn't go your way isn't plagued by a conspiracy of misinformation and lies.

So far as the Governor of the State of New York's hiring practices convicting all railroaders as an incompetent professionals, we beg to differ with your summation: Assuming you are obviously a neurosurgeon or a nuclear engineer, would an error or lie made by you convict the guy who mops your floors? Come on now. Your arguments are baseless.

And remember that any argument posed without basis or evidence can be dismissed without basis or evidence.

So your post and your accusations are simply, in a word, moot.

cam36 wrote:I was agreeing with you, up until this point. One bad egg doesn't mean everyone is a bad egg. I don't blame train crews for the poor communication from corporate. I have had good experiences (for the most part) with conductors on the trains. Are you saying that one bad cop means the whole department is bad? Or one bad doctor and the hospital is bad?

If they are aware of the bad egg and the impact the bad egg has on the customers, public ,etc. and choose to do nothing about it, then yes. What's that saying? "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Kelly&Kelly wrote:If you ever want to lay down your anger, class envy or whatever afflicts you, try an application of Occum's Razor to your argument: A six minute late train can make up thirty seconds. A late arriving engineman experiences equipment trouble. Passengers slow boarding delay a train. These things happen. Everything that doesn't go your way isn't plagued by a conspiracy of misinformation and lies.

Wrong. Not an explanation. If a six minute train can make up thirty seconds then a seven minute train can make up 30 seconds, so can an 8 minute late train, a 20 minute late train, or a 100 minute late train. As the author explains, that would shift the line uniformly. But they don't in such great numbers. That does not explain why so many 6 minute late trains magically become on-time.

Kelly&Kelly wrote:And remember that any argument posed without basis or evidence can be dismissed without basis or evidence.

So your post and your accusations are simply, in a word, moot.

Did you read the post? Did you look at the image? There is documented evidence in the LIRR Transportation Daily Logs that the LIRR was knowingly aware of the cause and knowingly mis-reported the real cause of the delay to passengers three times. A late arriving engineer has nothing to do with a problem with the equipment. It's a blatant lie. Your disregard of the evidence provides is ignorant.

If the engineer got into a car accident and was almost killed on the way to work, why does the public need to know this???
Equipment problem is just fine thank you.

It is an equipment problem because there is no one to operate the equipment and that is a problem.

Now we know who this guy is!

He's the numbers guy whose different screen names were banned a few times last year.