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  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
CVRA7 wrote:Northampton MA has returned and Greenfield MA has been listed for the first time on the Amtrak Station Information chapter in their internal web site. There is also a note: "Vermonter service begins December 29, 2014" in the listing.
No mention of Holyoke yet.
These entries for "NHT" and "GFD" were just made today.
Northampton and Greenfield are getting temp platforms for the start of service, but Holyoke's won't be ready and will lag some indeterminate time behind the other two.
  by Jehochman
 
Greenfield and Northampton are now listed in the mobile Amtrak App. There is station info available and they appear in the list of destinations but tickets still aren't available.
  by gprimr1
 
They are on the main AMTK website as well, but only under "stations in Northeast"
  by Hawaiitiki
 
Will these new stations be receiving full high level platforms since they are new builds? I (and a number of others on this forum) were under the impression that a new station like Norfolk was legally bound to have that, but that was obviously not the case. http://aweinclusive.com/wp-content/uplo ... -rail1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they're honestly looking to save time wherever possible, high levels are no brainers. Norfolks didn't really matter time-wise since its a terminal station ala Hoboken.
  by BenH
 
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Northampton and Greenfield are getting temp platforms for the start of service, but Holyoke's won't be ready and will lag some indeterminate time behind the other two.
Holyoke's platform won't be ready for service until March or April of next year, with a full build out (400-foot platform along with all amenities, like parking) targeted for completion in August. At the moment there's a demolition contractor who is working to clear the site and remove the existing structure on the corner of Dwight and Main streets. Work on the platform foundations will start in a few weeks.
  by Jehochman
 
My understanding is that Northampton will have a 400' ground level platform and a short 40' high level platform for easy access by wheelchairs. See the photos on this article: http://www.gazettenet.com/news/townbyto ... nd-vermont" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Greenfield will have a longer high level platform, though I'm not sure of the dimensions. See:
http://www.recorder.com/news/townbytown ... m-on-track" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When service begins there will be temporary wooden platforms. The concrete work won't be done until some time in 2015.
  by jcepler1
 
Hawaiitiki wrote:Will these new stations be receiving full high level platforms since they are new builds? I (and a number of others on this forum) were under the impression that a new station like Norfolk was legally bound to have that, but that was obviously not the case. http://aweinclusive.com/wp-content/uplo ... -rail1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they're honestly looking to save time wherever possible, high levels are no brainers. Norfolks didn't really matter time-wise since its a terminal station ala Hoboken.
High level platforms are a requirement under the Americans with Disabilities Act. It has nothing to do with time savings, just an added bonus.
Nofolk did not require high level platforms because it was designed before the deadline mentioned in the law.

The presence of freight trains is also a factor in building high level platforms. Many freights will not allow them, due to clearance issues.
  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
jcepler1 wrote:
Hawaiitiki wrote:Will these new stations be receiving full high level platforms since they are new builds? I (and a number of others on this forum) were under the impression that a new station like Norfolk was legally bound to have that, but that was obviously not the case. http://aweinclusive.com/wp-content/uplo ... -rail1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they're honestly looking to save time wherever possible, high levels are no brainers. Norfolks didn't really matter time-wise since its a terminal station ala Hoboken.
High level platforms are a requirement under the Americans with Disabilities Act. It has nothing to do with time savings, just an added bonus.
Nofolk did not require high level platforms because it was designed before the deadline mentioned in the law.

The presence of freight trains is also a factor in building high level platforms. Many freights will not allow them, due to clearance issues.
Most Amtrak one-a-day stops (like the others currently on the Vermonter) have wheelchair lifts the crews manipulate to achieve ADA compliance at completely low platforms (so long as the station egresses don't require stairs). On the Downeaster where there's well more than a round trip per day and here on the Conn River where commuter rail is realistically a short/mid-term prospect they build the full accessible platforms. Per the MBTA's station specs which MassDOT is following here it's always a full-high platform, 6' wide to the nearest obstruction (overhangs, garbage cans, signage, etc.) for side platforms and 12' wide for islands (i.e. 6 ft. unobstructed on each side to the center signage, overhang supports, etc.). On lines designated a wide freight clearance route where there is no room for passing tracks it is OK to construct a low platform with those dimensions and a single-car mini-high with collapsible platform edge. Collapsible edges aren't allowed on full-length full-highs because even if they were tangent the lateral movement on a wide freight would smack parts of the platform even if the edges were retracted. Generally speaking they avoid gauntlets unless absolutely positively unavoidable because of the slightly higher derailment risk. Gauntlets work better around islands where the derailing train falls away from the platform instead of risking tipping over and smacking the opposite platform.


In this case they're all just single side platforms with freight passing tracks, and the likely commuter rail and intercity traffic over the next 20 years is not likely to top out anywhere near dense enough to require 2 platforms, so it's fully OK to build full-highs. Even if the rest of the line gets infill double-track for higher traffic the passenger trains would still cross over and pull to one side for these few widely-spaced stations and any other potential infills on the route.


NECR territory might be a more interesting case in how they handle this if service increases render the wheelchair lifts too cumbersome and construction of full-accessible platforms is required. They might have to do mini-highs w/collapsible edges instead of full-highs at the stops where there isn't room for a passing track.
  by BenH
 
People living in and around Northampton MA area may be interested in this meeting, which was just announced via email:

Passenger Rail Advisory Committee
Tuesday, December 2, 2014 - 6:00pm
City Hall
City Council Chambers
210 Main St
Northampton, MA 01060

Agenda & Meeting Notice

1. Public Comment

2. Discussion of Train and Rail Safety
Guest : Amtrak Officer Hanson

3. Update on Amtrak Vermonter Service to Northampton
Guest: Natalie Blais, District Representative, Congressman Jim McGovern

4. Review of Regional Rail Issues 2015 and Beyond
Guest: Tim Brennan, Executive Director, Pioneer Valley Planning Commission

5. New Business.
For items the Chair did not reasonably anticipate would be discussed
  by GP40MC 1116
 
Dick H wrote:There is shore power at Rutland for the Ethan Allen. A cleaning crew boards the train
when it arrives and works while the train hauls down to the yard to wye the train, I
do not know about service to the septic tanks and filling the water tanks, but I don't
think the VTR does any service to the locomotive or the train equipment.

The Downeaster maintenance building at Brunswick was mentioned above. IMO,
that facility is in doubt, especially if LePage wins re-election as Governor, as he
has involved himself with the NIMBYs in recent months. I am not aware that there
are a series of shore power units at Portland, as there are three train sets and at least
one and sometimes more than one locomotive spending the night there.

At WRJ, there are often several locomotives idling away from the NECR, PAR and WACR.
I do not know what the overnight arrangements are at St. Albans for the Vermonter.
Portland and St. Albans have shore power (480v) hookups for the trainsets
  by NH2060
 
theozno wrote:Vermonter train is sold out Tomorrow and Wednesday in both directions
Considering there's only 1 train in both directions a special "advanced section" or just an additional frequency for the Thanksgiving timetable (even if it was limited to a NHV-St. Albans shuttle train) could easily fill up if not completely sell out as well. Whether or not it would be logistically possible to do so is of course another matter.
  by CSX Conductor
 
It's not that easy to just run an extra. The Vermonter runs on freight carriers' lines above Springfield and also, don't forget that it is state funded. As high as ridership may soar, the government most likely will NOT want to contribute any extra cash. Lastly, manpower may also be an issue.
  by Allouette
 
Even adding cars is not as easy as it would seem. The Vermonter's cars come from the 80000 series that have MU lines in addition to HEP, to allow for the backup move via Palmer. That requirement falls away after December 28.
  by asull85
 
CSX Conductor wrote:It's not that easy to just run an extra. The Vermonter runs on freight carriers' lines above Springfield and also, don't forget that it is state funded. As high as ridership may soar, the government most likely will NOT want to contribute any extra cash. Lastly, manpower may also be an issue.
There is a severe manpower shortage in the Northeast. Not to mention crews have started qualifying on the Conn River.
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