Metro-North New Haven Line Penn Station Access

There are Two Pelhams. The MN Pelham Station is in the Town of Pelham and the part of Pelham that borders the Bronx is the Village of Pelham Manor.

The Village of Pelham and Village of Pelham manor are both in Town of Pelham.
Just Like Village of Brewster is in Town of SouthEast.

The Hellgate Line, indeed, goes through Pelham Manor which is a part of the Town of Pelham.

Why no Queens station? The line would pass through Queens and a station in Queens would allow transit from the Bronx to Long Island (geographically) and would reduce trip times from Connecticut to Queens at lot more than Penn Station vs. Grand Central would. This would enable trips that avoid Manhattan where the bottlenecks are. They could even run trains that terminate in Queens, and increase capacity without the extreme expense of "fixing" Penn Station.

There are three places where stations could go: on top of Astoria – Ditmars Boulevard station on the BMT Astoria Line, near the the Northern Boulevard station on the IND Queens Boulevard Line, or somewhere around Sunnyside Yard/portal to East River tunnels.

The Village of Pelham and the Village of Pelham Manor have separate police & fire departments and governments, but are both grouped under the generic label of Pelham. Look it up on Wikipedia.

Enough about this. Now back to our regularly scheduled program......................................

This is off-topic but it is actually quite common in Westchester for towns to include incorporated villages within their boundaries. The Town of Greenburgh includes the villages of Tarrytown, Irvington, Dobbs Ferry, Ardsley and Hastings-on-Hudson. The Town of Eastchester includes the villages of Bronxville and Tuckahoe. The Town of Mt. Pleasant includes the villages of Pleasantville, Sleepy Hollow and part of the village of Briarcliff Manor. The other part of Briarcliff Manor is within the Town of Ossining. The Town of Rye includes the villages of Mamaroneck (part of which is also in the Town of Mamaroneck), Port Chester and Rye Brook. The City of Rye is NOT within the Town of Rye. It's separate.

There are many reasons why this situation evolved as it has, none of which have anything to do with this forum.

Not only Westchester. This exists in Putnam and Dutchess counties as well. For example, the Village of Cold Spring is in the Town of Putnam Valley.

ok ok we got it! really !! lets get back to choo choo's .

DRN, I concur

Geography lessons are now done at Choo Choo U ...

[OT] Villages in NY state have governments and raise taxes. Villages in Massachusetts are where people settled, not legal entities, and are analogous to hamlets in NY state.

It's all about taxes. I assume Metro-North's subsidies are paid by NYS & Conn, not by assessments against counties, cities, towns, or villages. There should be some type of durable formula where infrastructure investments like PSAS and ESA are distributed fairly either by population and/or proportionally to taxes collected. And similar fairness in operating subsidies. Otherwise it's a money grab for the pork.

nomis wrote:DRN, I concur

Geography lessons are now done at Choo Choo U ...

Excellent explanations by all! Thanks

This NYP access idea is great but I think metro north needs to prioritize, they have new trains running on tracks that they do not know how to maintain...hopefully amtrak crews will get to run some of these trains over our track.

This is in the news again. The GOV mentioned it as part of his “2015 Opportunity Agenda”.

Re: Building a New New York

Terrapin Station wrote:This is in the news again. The GOV mentioned it as part of his “2015 Opportunity Agenda”.

This is from the news link:

Build New Metro-North Stations in the Bronx and Extend Access to Penn Station
Metro-North access to Penn Station will not only enhance transit between New York City and the surrounding area, but it will strengthen the region’s resiliency in the face of future storms. The Penn Access project will provide new rail service to underserved and growing portions of the Bronx to the West Side of Manhattan and to growing jobs centers in Westchester and beyond. The State will build four new stations in the Bronx – Co-op City, Morris Park, Parkchester, and Hunts Point – to extend rail access to over 93,000 residents living near the stations. The project will also serve one of the largest concentrations of medical facilities in the United States at the Morris Park station. The cost of the new line and stations are less than $1 billion, with the State investing $250 million of that funding.

if you're wondering where that $250 million is coming from you can thank misbehaving financial institutions.

Last year the state secured a $5.4 billion windfall from settlements with big financial institutions (a figure that continues to grow) and Gov. Andrew Cuomo intends to spend a significant chunk on one-shot transportation projects. Among the initiatives are a $250 million plan that will directly connect Bronx and Connecticut residents with Penn Station via the Metro-North commuter railroad... News link

I hate seeing crap like that, as if transit can only be funded if money falls from the sky, and makes it look less like a fine and more like a shakedown to fund the future cutting of ribbons by politicians. In my opinion, money from financial institution fines should be first and foremost directed to ensuring supervision is sufficiently resourced and in bolstering funds covering victims of financial crimes where direct restitution is not possible (such as where a firm goes bankrupt).