Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by lirr42
 
Metro-North recently announced that it will begin suspending service at approximately 10pm tonight.
MTA Metro-North Railroad wrote:Because of the accelerating severity of the storm as well as projected snowfall accumulations of more than a foot, Metro-North Railroad will begin a suspension of train service on the Hudson, Harlem and New Haven Lines at approximately 10 p.m. This service suspension will continue until further notice.

With the significant increase in snowfall and high winds, the risk of a train becoming disabled with customers on board also increases significantly. Therefore, it is important to stop service at this time to ensure customer safety and to allow Metro-North employees to conduct aggressive snow fighting operations to keep the right of way as clear as possible. Road conditions have also deteriorated, with many road closures in Metro-North's service territory.


Last train departures:
  • Train 892/09:59pm Poughkeepsie to Croton Harmon (extended to Grand Central)
  • Train 891/10:05pm GCT to Poughkeepsie (Harlem/125, Yankees/E153 then all local stops)
  • Train 998/09:25pm Wassaic to Southeast (extended to Grand Central)
  • Train 691/10:00pm GCT to Southeast (stopping at Fordham, then all local stops)
  • Train 991/11:39pm Southeast to Wassaic
  • Train 1595/9:17pm New Haven to GCT
  • Train 1795/9:30pm New Cannan to Stamford
  • Train 1895/8:59pm Danbury to South Norwalk
  • Train 1997/9:35pm Waterbury to Bridgeport (train terminates at Bridgeport, with no GCT connection)
  • Train 1590/10:22p GCT to New Haven
  • Train 1790/11:29p Stamford to New Cannan
  • Train 1890/11:45p South Norwalk to Danbury
    and
  • Train 67/09:58p Hoboken to Port Jevis
  • Hoboken-bound Port Jervis Line service for 2/8 has already concluded
Train service will be suspended until further notice. Grand Central Terminal will close following the arrival of the last train, at approximately 12:09am.

Pascack Valley Line trains are operating normally.
  by ajp
 
did the MTA's predecessors (NYC, NH, PC) shut the system down in such a preemptive manner?
  by lirr42
 
From the MTA's Website:
MTA Metro North Railroad wrote:Metro-North to Resume Hudson & Harlem Service; New Haven Line Service Remains Suspended Due to Severity of the Winter Storm

Metro-North will resume Hudson and Harlem Line with the following first trains:

Hudson Line (see a schedule)
  • 11:20 AM from Grand Central to Croton-Harmon
  • 11:45 AM from Grand Central to Poughkeepsie
  • 11:00 AM from Croton-Harmon to Grand Central
  • 11:40 AM from Poughkeepsie to Grand Centraln
Harlem Line (see a schedule)
  • 11:25 AM from Grand Central to North White Plains
  • 11:48 AM from Grand Central to Southeast
  • 11:06 AM from North White Plains to Grand Central
  • 11:13 from Southeast to Grand Central
  • Wassaic Branch service remains suspended.
New Haven Line service remains suspended until further notice. Parts of the line are buried under three feet of snow. Metro-North employees continue to conduct aggressive snow fighting operations.

Many roads remain closed in Metro-North's service territory. We urge customers to monitor media reports and to check this web site for the latest updates.

Please take care when traveling during inclement weather and allow for additional travel time. Customers should use caution when entering and exiting trains, and on platforms and staircases.
Port Jervis and Pascack Valley Line services have resumed as of this morning.
  by Amtrak7
 
This just looks strange.

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  by Amtrak7
 
Stamford and Wassaic are back.
  by Jeff Smith
 
@MetroNorthTweet has posted that regular Sunday Schedule will be in effect for full Hudson and Harlem lines (including Wassaic and Beacon ;-) branches. Sunday schedule will run for STM-GCT. Beyond STM is suspended UFN, including branches.
  by lirr42
 
Jeff Smith wrote:(including Wassaic and Beacon ;-) branches.
Well, considering that they're running on a normal Sunday Schedule and since on a normal Sunday schedule the Beacon Line sees no trains, I guess that typo slips through the cracks! ;-)
  by Jeff Smith
 
And actually, in an attempt to be funny, I made a boo-boo. It's Beacon LINE, not branch. May Dutch forgive me.
  by Noel Weaver
 
I haven’t yet read everything on Amtrak nor Metro-North as yet but I do have an opinion as to the shutdown especially by Metro-North over a snowstorm. Now snowstorms are not new to the railroad industry, we had our share of them when I was still working not only on the New Haven Railroad but on Penn Central, Conrail and the rest. I can well remember a trip on the Danbury Branch with a pair of FL-9’s on 141 and 148 between Danbury and Grand Central Terminal on a Saturday with well over a foot of snow. The train came through from Pittsfield and they sent the two FL-9’s through to New York. They left Pittsfield with full tanks of boiler water in both units and with not too many cars there was still plenty of water for us to make it without losing our steam heat. We plowed out the Danbury Branch while carrying passengers and made it to New York and back that evening to Danbury as well. It snowed all that Saturday so Sunday I worked a flanger with an RS-3, flanger and caboose between Danbury and South Norwalk. On the northbound trip back to Danbury the dispatcher wanted us to flange the Ridgefield Branch but the conductor thought better than dragging the flanger and caboose up the grade on the branch so we left them at Branchville and went up with the 526. We made it up to Ridgefield and back and made it back to Danbury as well. Moral of the story, the New Haven felt it important to provide service weather or no and all over the railroad they made every effort possible to provide service, maybe not right on schedule but service, seats, transportation you get the point.
In years after this through snowstorm after snowstorm we never shut down but rather provided transportation for the people who could not get to their destination by any other means of transportation. As bad as some of the top management was on the New Haven they still made every possible effort even with a lot of old equipment, no radios and a physical plant that had seen better days. Snow on the tracks with Budd Cars, no problem we’ll put an engine on ahead of the Budd Car and go. Power off on the New Canaan Branch, we’ll use a diesel with a coach or two, maybe two diesels one on each end. Everybody was fond of taking pot shots at Penn Central but in 1969 and again in the 1970’s we had some pretty wild snowstorms and yet Penn Central found a way to run all or practically all of their commuter services at least in New York. I remember one particularly snowy weekend seeing E units in Grand Central Terminal, a train from Chatham came in with two RS-3’s with snow right up to the headlight on the lead unit and more snow than engine, loads of snow but they ran even on the Chatham end with only a train or two a day, they found a way to run. I remember one year on the New Haven with snow up to your hips, everything ran with FL-9’s, not full service but the passengers were accommodated to the best extant possible. That Metro-North chose not to provide any service to its passengers this weekend at least yesterday and early today is beyond ridiculous in my opinion. They have a decent fleet of diesels that should be able to handle the snow. They have some FL-9’s stored dead in New Haven and “F” units were famous for being able to handle the snow. Both the Burlington Northern and the Soo Line held on to a few “F” units after they were no longer needed for road service just to handle snow and they did it apparently quite well. What Metro-North could have and should have done was to run patrol trains all night in the snow back and forth between New York and New Haven, Brewster and Poughkeepsie at least. Whether they chose to carry passengers in these trains or now it really doesn’t matter at this point but the railroad could have been kept relatively operable for service when they were ready to open up again. Penn Central did that more than once and the Erie Lackawanna used to do that too in New Jersey with MU’s that were built in the 20’s. If they did not want to use passenger equipment for this they could have run freight hogs back and forth if the freight hogs will handle the snow and I suspect the GP-35’s would. I think it is time for top management to get off their behinds and find a way to do what they are paid to do whether it be snow or sun. Hurricanes are one thing but this was a simple snowstorm although a huge one, It is a disappointment to me. The New Haven Railroad used to display right on their timetable cover “THE ALL WEATHER ROUTE WITH CENTER TO CONTER CONVIENCE”, I guess that has gone the way of the DODO bird today.
I am not really that impressed with Amtrak either on this one but Amtrak is a different situation with a lot more territory and a lot more operating problems than Metro-North so I think it would have been a lot more difficult for them to try to maintain any sort of service out of Boston. For one thing there are a lot of overhanging and close trees along the ROW between New Haven and Boston and every time the railroad makes an effort to clean this stuff up some “do-gooder” in the area cries wolf over removing brush or trees even though Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts have lots of other trees to worship and would not miss the ones along the railroad tracks. Incidentally Amtrak found a way to run between New York and Albany even when Metro-North could not run over the same tracks to Poughkeepsie, how interesting. In closing I think it would have been a lot cheaper for the railroads to run patrol trains all night then it is going to be to try to clean up the mess that they now have to deal with before they can resume operation. I suspect there were people whom were ready, willing and able to work especially on Metro-North, I know there were plenty in my days and I doubt if it any different today. Railroaders are a pretty dedicated bunch when it comes to adversity and we used to call snowstorms pennies (lots of them) from Heaven.
Noel Weaver
  by Amtrak7
 
NYCT is lending MNR some snow removal equipment for the NHL:

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  by pbass
 
When I was with Penn Central & Conrail,the company continued the service albeit maybe limited,but it still ran.Also ran non revenue trains to keep the tracks clear to at least run local service and suspend the express service in the interim,but the service ran.The same logic is still applicable today but the useless,mindless deadwood at 347 Madison Ave don't know this is how it's done.The management could have kept at least 10 ACMU"S,demotored,shoe fuses pulled but shoes intact,hauled by a locomotive to keep the 3rd rail clear.Same goes for the M2'S and have the pantographs raised but non functioning to clear the wires.I wasn't paid to think out side my collective bargaining agreements,so I kept my ideas private and to let those who were paid the big the salaries do all the thinking.
  by NH2060
 
Noel Weaver wrote:I haven’t yet read everything on Amtrak nor Metro-North as yet but I do have an opinion as to the shutdown especially by Metro-North over a snowstorm. Now snowstorms are not new to the railroad industry, we had our share of them when I was still working not only on the New Haven Railroad but on Penn Central, Conrail and the rest. I can well remember a trip on the Danbury Branch with a pair of FL-9’s on 141 and 148 between Danbury and Grand Central Terminal on a Saturday with well over a foot of snow. The train came through from Pittsfield and they sent the two FL-9’s through to New York. They left Pittsfield with full tanks of boiler water in both units and with not too many cars there was still plenty of water for us to make it without losing our steam heat. We plowed out the Danbury Branch while carrying passengers and made it to New York and back that evening to Danbury as well. It snowed all that Saturday so Sunday I worked a flanger with an RS-3, flanger and caboose between Danbury and South Norwalk. On the northbound trip back to Danbury the dispatcher wanted us to flange the Ridgefield Branch but the conductor thought better than dragging the flanger and caboose up the grade on the branch so we left them at Branchville and went up with the 526. We made it up to Ridgefield and back and made it back to Danbury as well. Moral of the story, the New Haven felt it important to provide service weather or no and all over the railroad they made every effort possible to provide service, maybe not right on schedule but service, seats, transportation you get the point.
In years after this through snowstorm after snowstorm we never shut down but rather provided transportation for the people who could not get to their destination by any other means of transportation. As bad as some of the top management was on the New Haven they still made every possible effort even with a lot of old equipment, no radios and a physical plant that had seen better days. Snow on the tracks with Budd Cars, no problem we’ll put an engine on ahead of the Budd Car and go. Power off on the New Canaan Branch, we’ll use a diesel with a coach or two, maybe two diesels one on each end. Everybody was fond of taking pot shots at Penn Central but in 1969 and again in the 1970’s we had some pretty wild snowstorms and yet Penn Central found a way to run all or practically all of their commuter services at least in New York. I remember one particularly snowy weekend seeing E units in Grand Central Terminal, a train from Chatham came in with two RS-3’s with snow right up to the headlight on the lead unit and more snow than engine, loads of snow but they ran even on the Chatham end with only a train or two a day, they found a way to run. I remember one year on the New Haven with snow up to your hips, everything ran with FL-9’s, not full service but the passengers were accommodated to the best extant possible. That Metro-North chose not to provide any service to its passengers this weekend at least yesterday and early today is beyond ridiculous in my opinion. They have a decent fleet of diesels that should be able to handle the snow. They have some FL-9’s stored dead in New Haven and “F” units were famous for being able to handle the snow. Both the Burlington Northern and the Soo Line held on to a few “F” units after they were no longer needed for road service just to handle snow and they did it apparently quite well. What Metro-North could have and should have done was to run patrol trains all night in the snow back and forth between New York and New Haven, Brewster and Poughkeepsie at least. Whether they chose to carry passengers in these trains or now it really doesn’t matter at this point but the railroad could have been kept relatively operable for service when they were ready to open up again. Penn Central did that more than once and the Erie Lackawanna used to do that too in New Jersey with MU’s that were built in the 20’s. If they did not want to use passenger equipment for this they could have run freight hogs back and forth if the freight hogs will handle the snow and I suspect the GP-35’s would. I think it is time for top management to get off their behinds and find a way to do what they are paid to do whether it be snow or sun. Hurricanes are one thing but this was a simple snowstorm although a huge one, It is a disappointment to me. The New Haven Railroad used to display right on their timetable cover “THE ALL WEATHER ROUTE WITH CENTER TO CONTER CONVIENCE”, I guess that has gone the way of the DODO bird today.
I am not really that impressed with Amtrak either on this one but Amtrak is a different situation with a lot more territory and a lot more operating problems than Metro-North so I think it would have been a lot more difficult for them to try to maintain any sort of service out of Boston. For one thing there are a lot of overhanging and close trees along the ROW between New Haven and Boston and every time the railroad makes an effort to clean this stuff up some “do-gooder” in the area cries wolf over removing brush or trees even though Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts have lots of other trees to worship and would not miss the ones along the railroad tracks. Incidentally Amtrak found a way to run between New York and Albany even when Metro-North could not run over the same tracks to Poughkeepsie, how interesting. In closing I think it would have been a lot cheaper for the railroads to run patrol trains all night then it is going to be to try to clean up the mess that they now have to deal with before they can resume operation. I suspect there were people whom were ready, willing and able to work especially on Metro-North, I know there were plenty in my days and I doubt if it any different today. Railroaders are a pretty dedicated bunch when it comes to adversity and we used to call snowstorms pennies (lots of them) from Heaven.
Noel Weaver
Thank you for sharing your insight into the good ol' days. That whole business about even PC running in bad weather (considering how much of a botched operation it was) really says something. You'd think a RR like MN (whose reputation as a commuter rail carrier is undoubtably superb compared to PC) would have more intuition to run at least something. I remember when I was 12 during the '03 Presidents Day Blizzard and seeing Maxi Bombs stopping in Greenwich every 2 hours. I myself was rather disappointed to see the MBTA completely shutdown the commuter rail during this storm; I took a walk by the tracks on the North Shore and they sure as heck looked passable. I guess lawyers, liability suits, and insurance BS have taken over even the best of things these days :-(
  by Saugatuck
 
No trains in Westport, but it's a pretty day.
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  by Kurt
 
BL-20GH #129 at Harlem Valley-Wingdale, yesterday (02/09/13) on the first passenger run up to Wassaic.
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