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GE 25 tonners

Postby MADDOG » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:11 pm

HI Folks
maybe some of you former LIRR folks can help me set the record straight.
In John Scala's book "Diesels of the Sunrise Trail", he only shows #398 & #399, NO #397.
I have been finding conflicting information regarding either the Construction Numbers or Serial Numbers of these 3 units.
The reason for this is that recently a GE manual for the GS1 "allegedly" from the LIRR was auctioned on EBAY and was donated to to Oyster Bay RR Museum.
Th front cover shows s/n #'s 33030 and 33373.
What we know is that
Oyster Bay RR Museum (OBRM) has #398/397 and the RR Museum of LI (RMLI) has #399.
According to Scala and every other source
#398 s/n #33303 was built for the LIRR
#399 s/n #33375 was built for the LIRR

Since this GE Manual shows both #33030 and we know it is #398, then s/n #33373 should be #397, which means it should have been built for the LIRR.
My research shows that (#397) s/n 33373 was not built for the LIRR but for the Lone Star Cement company yet other sources show it being built for the National Lead Company as
s/n #32628, yet it was built in 8/58 like #399.
I have gooten help for Dave Keller, Steve Lynch and Dave Morrison but now I am more confused with all the conflicting information. Can someone shed any more light on this subject?
Thank you
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Re: GE 25 tonners

Postby kro52 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:59 am

Greetings,
The 397 was purchased in the 1980's from LILCO in Island Park. The 398,399 were purchased new in 1958.
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Re: GE 25 tonners

Postby nyandw » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:00 pm

Morris Park #397 Sightings 1987-1989 MADDOG: Was it built in 8/58 like #399, as #398 was built 5/1958 serial #33030. (Perhaps the issue?) I have: #397 Built: 3/1956 serial #32628 for: Natl. Lead Co. of NJ
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LIRR #L397 at Diner 8/12/89
Photo: Al Castelli
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LIRR #397 10/31/87 Photo: Kevin Gulau
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Photo of #397 at Morris Park #397 10/87 Photo: Steve Rothaug
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Re: GE 25 tonners

Postby MADDOG » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:29 pm

nyandw wrote:Morris Park #397 Sightings 1987-1989 MADDOG: Was it built in 8/58 like #399, as #398 was built 5/1958 serial #33030. (Perhaps the issue?) I have: #397 Built: 3/1956 serial #32628 for: Natl. Lead Co. of NJ

Hi all-
with help from many sources and crawling over the hood of #397 during this past Saturdays rain, I believe that we have found the issue with the incorrect serial numbers and wrong units being identified as LIRR #397.

Using a color photo from Aarts-Archives of the ex-LILCO GE 25 ton switcher which is serial number 32628, we were able to find the remains of the hood mounted bell.
Now, there is a high probability that this ex-LILCO Loco left LI to Naporano Steel before it was purchased by the LIRR but we have no concrete proof.

So the GE/LIRR manual has serial numbers 33030+33373.We believe that this was a simple misprint.
We have ascertained the following
serial number 32628 is LIRR #397
serial number 33030 is LIRR #398
serial number 33375 is LIRR #399

Serial Number 33373 was a GE 25 tonner built for Lone Star Cement in TX
Serial Number 33374 was one of two GE 25 ton export units shipped to SOMISA in Argentina-April 1960.
Serial Number 33372 was one of two GE 25 ton export units shipped to SOMISA in Argentina-April 1960.
Thanks to Dave Keller/Steve Lynch/Art Huneke/Dave Morrison and Craig from the website The Diesel Shop US, who maintains this info.
And thanks to George Schlicter of the OBRM for donating this manual to the Museum
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Re: GE 25 tonners

Postby nyandw » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:40 pm

Nice!! Thank you. :-)
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Re: GE 25 tonners

Postby mirrodie » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:28 pm

Without those switchers, if locos break down, is there anything else to move them around nowadays?
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Re: GE 25 tonners

Postby BuddR32 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:36 am

mirrodie wrote:Without those switchers, if locos break down, is there anything else to move them around nowadays?

Yes, ShuttleWagons and a TrackMobile
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