R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby BigUglyCat » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:27 pm

GirlOnTheTrain wrote:Pulled from service after a couple hours with two BIEs...really promising ;)

Please define "BIEs". Thank you! :-D
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Kamen Rider » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm

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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby tommyboy6181 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:48 pm

1 of the BIE's was due to hitting track debris, where it went back into service soon after. Not sure what the second one was.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:34 am

trainbrain wrote:Problem is they cannot keep the R32's and R42's in service forever. The R42's are supposed to be retired once the M shuttle is done, and I don't see how the R32's last until 2022. They may well need to retire some or all of both fleets before the replacements are fully in service, and that would mean car shortages and service cuts.

If PATCO can keep running its 1968 Budd cars for another two decades and VIA has the Sudbury-White River RDCs dating back to 1955 in daily service, the R32s can make it to 60. If the R179 keeps getting problems in acceptance, there may be no other choice. Back in the early 1990s, the R30s were retired (officially for lack of AC), leaving a car shortage on the B Division for years. The R143s ending up being the de facto replacements for R30s.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Kamen Rider » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:54 am

PATCO's fleet also just underwent a heavy rebuild, something the MTA isn't want to do for the R32s.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby trainbrain » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:14 am

Huge embarrassment that they can't keep them in service for more than a couple trips. Back to square 1 on testing.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby tommyboy6181 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:37 am

Turns out besides the train hitting debris in the track, a video on YouTube also mentioned that there were door problems later in the day and an interior was vandalized. I saw the vandalism picture on Facebook where someone marked up a seat with gang symbols.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:39 am

Were the gang symbols the sign of the Conquestors? Ugh...
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby andrewjw » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:42 pm

Word from the more reliable friends on another forum is they've passed the 30 day test - the early-December OOS somehow did not count. This should mean the start of revenue service of accepted trainsets.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:13 pm

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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby NaugyRR » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:16 am

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I saw this in my news feed this morning and thought I'd share...

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-r179-mta-train-car-20190108-story.html

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Dozens of cars built by Bombardier for the latest train model — known as the R179, which now run on the J/Z and C lines — were sidelined this week after suffering from different kinds of maladies, from door problems, propulsion issues and air compressors, sources told The News.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Allan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:18 am

What do you expect from BOMBardier?

It is the R46 all over again.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby MACTRAXX » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:01 pm

Allan wrote:What do you expect from BOMBardier?

It is the R46 all over again.

Allan: Pullman-Standard (before they went out of the carbuilding business) built the R46 cars.
I remember problems such as cracks being found in the Rockwell International trucks. How long
did it take for the TA to correct the bugs that the R46 cars had? As we both know they are now
currently one of the oldest (mid-late 70s) and largest (more then 700 cars-745 total I believe)
car fleets now in service - how much time do they have left and will these problems with the
new R179 cars extend their lifespan further? MACTRAXX
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:27 pm

What's troubling is that Bombardier had a relatively good reputation at least on LIRR where the M-7's have been fairly successful. Ditto for Kawasaki which was an excellent builder for thirty years and now seems to also be having problems. Looks like CRRC is going to be the new big player for the next few years. Who ever thought the USA would have to lower itself to buying train cars from a Chinese company 'cause there are hardly any other good builders left? What sad friggin' commentary on the railcar industry.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:35 pm

Too bad they got banned from bidding on the R211s since they were going to submit a bid in conjunction with Bombardier.
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