Washington DC Union Station Expansion

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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby dowlingm » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:32 pm

Business Insider saying infrastructure spend delayed into 2018, which didn't shock me but apparently some construction company investors bet otherwise.
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby farecard » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:38 am

Greg Moore wrote:Yeah, they realized they really needed more office space, and fast.
The biggest limitation was the amount of steel used. Hence why so much concrete.


Trivia: The Pentagon had 202 phone #'s until recently, say ~~10 years ago. Now it's 703...
Why? When built, there was nothing over including phone CO's & outside plant; it was brought over from DC....
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby Greg Moore » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:34 pm

Looks like they're starting to move forward. from BizJournals

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On the western side of the station, Track 22 is currently being used as a holding and storage track. Amtrak wants to bring it back into use, which would require a new walkway, renovation of the platform and its historic canopies and track realignment. This track reopening should start this fall and take about two years, according to an Amtrak representative.

I find this interesting. Should help the VRE and Amtrak trains heading south.
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby Arlington » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:06 am

Article needs clarification: the lower level (tunnel access) tracks are on the EASTERN side of WAS (Metro is on the West and took low numbered tracks). So when the quote says "Western side of the station" it actually means middle of the whole station, but Western side of the lower level, right?

Is Track 22 the first (lowest numbered) lower a level track w/ tunnel access? (next to the retaining wall that supports the highest-numbered upper track for NEC-only trains)

Happened through WAS on a Virginia train last week (on what may have been Track 24 or 25) and did notice a track with nothing but stored locomotive pairs and singles, with a big a stone wall immediately east of it (and an Acela atop that wall)
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby cobra30689 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:19 am

22 track is indeed the first lower level track with tunnel access, but has no passenger access to the station and is used for outbound diesel locomotive storage (similar to 29 track that is used for electrics). There USED to be a 21 track adjacent to the wall that was electrified (20 track is the where the upper level starts, where you saw the Acela), but I do not know exactly when or why it was removed (WAY before my time lol). As of right now there is a myriad of electrical conduits bolted to the wall that would have to be removed to re-lay the track.
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby Arlington » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:27 pm

So was 21 an un-platformed bypass? Seems to me they should bite the bullet and do the work to get both 21 and 22 back in service.

Also, as the Mass Ave headhouse continues to creep northwards towards H Street (recall that the original waiting area is where the shopping mall is today) it seems worth considering building the H Street head house also and restoring some of the very low numbered tracks on the Metro/western side of the station.

The expansion plan of years ago always seemed a little bit too overbuilt. Before we go making tracks 4 through 20 into multi-level (which still could be done in the very long run) it seems to me we could reinstall a track on the MARC low-numbered side side and maybe look into an upper level over tracks 21 thru 29, and switching the main commuter and direct passenger entrance to H Street, similar to the way that Moynihan station would double the size of Penn Station. I know all of these are in the grand plan but they seem to have the wrong sequence and emphasis.
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby cobra30689 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:59 am

Arlington wrote:So was 21 an un-platformed bypass? Seems to me they should bite the bullet and do the work to get both 21 and 22 back in service.



No, platform is still there adjacent to 22 track.....but it has no connection to the station. I can't even see traces of where it did.
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby east point » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:52 am

Cannot find the proposed track layout about the expansion. Any one remember the link ?
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby STrRedWolf » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:14 pm

east point wrote:Cannot find the proposed track layout about the expansion. Any one remember the link ?


There was a blurb on Amtrak's page, but now I think this is close:
https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0866
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby farecard » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:11 pm

Is there a track map of Union Station?
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby Arlington » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:33 pm

farecard wrote:Is there a track map of Union Station?

Either Google or a search of this forum will answer this many times over.
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Re: Washington DC Union Station Expansion

Postby east point » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:46 pm

Take this link and keep expanding it around Washington until you see the actual tracks.

http://www.openrailwaymap.org/
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