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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:55 am

Backshophoss wrote:Montrealer was a federal funded train From "A" day onward(DC to Montreal and return)if it goes back online,only way to extend a pair of shuttles
to St Albans would be the $$$ used to fund the Vermonter for a sate supported shuttle runs Springfield-St Albans.


The NNEIRI study does call for an optional third Vermont frequency joining the Montrealer and BOS-MTL direct, by means of a New Haven to St. Albans short-turn. But that's unlikely to make the cut if they proceed on the primary study recs since VTrans will already have its finances tapped thin by its initial subsidy of the BOS-MTL frequency. Chances are the short-turn frequency becomes a later add-on in the second decade when they ID a schedule gap between the Montrealer and BOS-MTL slots that's ripe for hole-plugging. Won't be an instantaneous thing. Would be better if VTrans could chuck in a few bucks to bring a Springfield Shuttle to Brattleboro since that's a slightly better terminus than MassDOT's option of funding a poke to Greenfield. But Bellows Falls, White River Jct., or St. Albans are definitely too far for meager VTrans resources.

Deeper-pocketed MassDOT still has interest in keeping a toehold on the Shuttles for repurposement while it mulls its NNEIRI options. Since the lack of funding action on Armory Layover moves out the practical timetable for both full-blown HFD-SPG schedules on the Hartford Line and any speculative start dates on Knowledge Corridor commuter rail into the 2020's (as well as places upper limits on how long they can practically sit on stored retired MBTA equipment), poking a few Shuttles north in the interim becomes a potentially practical means of getting the ball rolling. Even if it's just a temporary thing until the Inland Route upgrades end up re-routing all Shuttles away from Greenfield to Boston...with the commuter trains then backfilling those temporary north-of-SPG slots.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby shadyjay » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:25 pm

radio wrote:When did trains stoop at North Haven? Did they just stop at Devine St? Was there ever a station? I tried search, but "new haven" swamped the results.


The station was located on Devine St just east of Route 5 and north of Route 40, and behind the park & ride lot. This was during the early/mid 1980s. It was never more than just a pair of wooden platforms in the Amtrak era, one on either side of the tracks. This wikipedia (yes, I know) article has some pics and info....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Haven_(CDOT_station)
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby radio » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:23 pm

Thanks, shadyjay. I moved to NoH in 1989, and had heard there was a station there, but I never saw the platforms. Now the mystery is solved!
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby ebtmikado » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:23 am

The previous North Haven station was that brick building at Broadway.

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby The EGE » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:57 pm

Correct - that station closed sometime in the last decade before A-day. The newer station at Devine Road opened in 1980 as part of the state's attempt to make the line more commuter-rail-like - the same project that saw the purchase of the ill-fated SPV-2000 railcars. It and Enfield closed in 1986 due to low ridership. (Full disclosure: I wrote that Wikipedia article and found all the citations.)
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby jdb » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:14 pm

Will TransitAmerica Services and Alternate Concepts have there own equipment pool ?
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:57 pm

No they will use SLE equipment .
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby BandA » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:03 am

So they won't be responsible for track, dispatch, row maintenance or equipment?. They will be responsible for the operating crew? and cleaning? and maintenance of the stations that aren't Amtrak stops?
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:41 am

BandA wrote:So they won't be responsible for track, dispatch, row maintenance or equipment?. They will be responsible for the operating crew? and cleaning? and maintenance of the stations that aren't Amtrak stops?


It's the same as Keolis for MBTA commuter rail, but on a much smaller scale. Keolis runs the commuter trains on the Providence Line, but it's under Amtrak dispatch and MOW using state-owned equipment. And since the RR union contracts are well-regulated, most front-line jobs are 'portable' across contracts much like many veteran T conductors have had Amtrak, MBCR, and Keolis at the top of their paychecks over the years without needing to change jobs (though in this case the ranks are going to be filled by mostly new hires because it's a pure service expansion).

Station management can be split different ways depending on task. On the T it's usually a separate non-Keolis vendor collecting parking fares and plowing the lots, while some stops are town-control. You may even see CTransit pick up the slack if the station in question is a multimodal hub (future West Hartford stop, for instance, since that's going to be integrated with the current busway stop)...similar to how the regional transit districts in Massachusetts manage a lot of the I-495 belt stations.


It's not an unusual setup at all. The choice of bidder is the only eyebrow-raiser, given that this is a bunch of the same cast of characters who looted the last politically-larded T ops contract.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:55 pm

http://nhhsrail.com/pdfs/nhhs%20rail%20 ... 0final.pdf

Newsletter Snips (Fair-Use Exception: Government and News Release):

...I am also pleased to report the final stages of Hartford Line station construction. Wallingford and Meriden stations will be completed this fall with State Street station following by years end and Berlin station in early 2018. Existing Amtrak service passengers will be able to utilize the new stations prior to Hartford Line service launch next spring.
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Windsor double-tracking expedited:

Hartford Line Service Launching May 2018

A new date has been set for launch of the CTrail Hartford Line service. Previously scheduled for January 2018, the service will now launch in May 2018. This is a result of the recent allocation of $50 million in state funding to install four additional miles of track between Hartford and Windsor.

Postponing the service launch until this additional construction is complete will ensure a seamless launch for the new service and its riders, without the need to implement service outages or other schedule disruptions.

When the Hartford Line service launches next year, 17 round trips between New Haven and Hartford will operate each weekday; 12 of these 17 roundtrips trains will continue on to Springfield. Travelers in New Haven, Wallingford, Meriden, Berlin, Hartford and Windsor will board trains every 45 minutes during the morning and evening peak hours, and approximately every 90 minutes during off-peak periods. Hartford Line trains will operate at speeds up to 110 mph, reducing travel time between Springfield and New Haven from an average of 89 minutes to 81 minutes, a savings of 8 minutes.

The service provides direct or connecting service to New York City, Boston and Vermont. With this level of direct and connecting service linking the region, municipalities along the Hartford Line will become magnets for growth – ideal places to live and to relocate businesses that depend on regional markets and travel.


New Station Design:

Design Continues for New Hartford Line Stations

2017 marked the start of design and environmental permitting for new CTrail Hartford Line stations in North Haven (intersection of State and Devine Streets), Newington (intersection of Willard and Francis Avenues), West Hartford (intersection of Flatbush and Newfield Avenues), and in Enfield (between Main and River Streets). Windsor and Windsor Locks are current stops along the existing rail line, however station facilities will be relocated. Design for all new stations is scheduled for completion in 2020.

Planned improvements at stations generally includes high-level platforms on both sides of the tracks, as well as the installation of elevators, stairways, an overhead pedestrian bridge to cross the tracks, canopies covering approximately 200 feet of platform length, and surface parking for approximately 100-200 vehicles. Specific to Windsor, a two-level parking deck will be constructed, located behind Town Hall to accommodate approximately 100 rail customers.

Additional enhancements include platform snow melting systems, a passenger information display system, security cameras, and ticket vending machines. Design and environmental permitting efforts for these stations is estimated to cost approximately $20 million. The CTDOT continues to explore federal funding options with the intent of securing construction funding prior to completion of design.

Visit the Program’s website at www.nhhsrail.com to stay informed and view the recently updated Interactive Program Map, shown at right, which
provides additional station specific information.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:10 pm

Relocate Windsor Depot...really? That hadn't been on the table before now, unless I missed something. The current stop is about as convenient and walkable as it gets, and has been spruced up with new TOD like the brand new apartment complex across the street. Doesn't have much parking, but the prospect of a double-deck parking garage seems overkill for downtown which works just fine as it is as an authentic village center that hasn't succumbed to an overdose of asphalt lots like so many comparable downtowns in CT have. You can even graft a full-high platform onto the historic depot building without difficulty or aesthetic compromises the way it empties onto the platform from a short flight of stairs, so it doesn't even make a lot of sense to flip the platform a block further away from Central St. if that's what their current thinking is. It's as centered on where the action is as it'll ever be, right where it currently is.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby shadyjay » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:51 pm

Judging by plans I saw a while back, they want to move it just south of its present location, I believe to this site off Mechanic St:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8504389 ... a=!3m1!1e3

I don't think passengers even have access to the original Windsor station anymore. Not that Hartford Line stations offer a station building, so to speak. They probably could've squeezed in a high level platform on the west side at the existing station site, but judging by GoogleMaps, it looks like it'd be tight to get one on the east side. And a location slightly to the south may permit the train to get "off the circuit" during station stops. Still, this new location does still seem quite central, and with an "up and over", there'd be further integration of the station with what's to the west side of the tracks.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:58 am

Hmm...I wonder if that means the extremely low & narrow clearance rail bridge over Batchelder Rd. is going to be replaced. With the platform moving slightly south you'd need better access to Mechanic from the south as more of that block gets filled in with TOD, and definitely a sidewalk so you can get over to Broad St. by the Public Library and CTransit bus stop in front of the library. That Batchelder underpass is already an extremely dangerous prospect with the daily traffic surges that happen when Loomis Chaffee School lets out for the day, and all the students who squeeze in the middle of the road to walk in/out that direction.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby asull85 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:01 pm

It is currently being replaced.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby Arlington » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:16 pm

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Hmm...I wonder if that means the extremely low & narrow clearance rail bridge over Batchelder Rd. is going to be replaced. ... That Batchelder underpass is already an extremely dangerous prospect with the daily traffic surges that happen when Loomis Chaffee School lets out for the day, and all the students who squeeze in the middle of the road to walk in/out that direction.


Batchelder Rd Bridge is covered in Pages 12 thru 19 in the linked presentation, with underclearance to increase from 11'9" to 13'6" (13'6" is the max for normal truck height and the min for normal clearance, if I've understood correctly.)

Site says replacement started in June
Construction Update: Town of Windsor (June 7-16, 2017)

Beginning on Wednesday, June 7th and continuing daily through Friday, June 16th, Batchelder Road between Broad Street and Mechanic Street in Windsor will be closed to vehicular and pedestrian traffic during the hours of 6:00 a.m. – 1:30 p.m. to accommodate construction at the Batchelder Road bridge.

Traffic personnel will be in place throughout the duration of the road closure. Signs, variable message boards and detour routes alerting the public of the closure will be posted on-site prior to the closure.

Please note that this schedule is subject to change.

For construction related questions, please contact Rich Angelicola, Resident Engineer, AECOM at (860) 867-6460.

This work is part of the overall upgrade of the New Haven-Hartford-Springfield rail line – now branded as the CTrail Hartford Line – scheduled to begin expanded service in 2018.

Future updates on the status and location of construction activities will be provided on the NHHS Rail Program website at http://www.nhhsrail.com, Facebook, Twitter and by email. To receive email updates, please register on the NHHS Rail Program website.
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