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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:55 am

Backshophoss wrote:Montrealer was a federal funded train From "A" day onward(DC to Montreal and return)if it goes back online,only way to extend a pair of shuttles
to St Albans would be the $$$ used to fund the Vermonter for a sate supported shuttle runs Springfield-St Albans.


The NNEIRI study does call for an optional third Vermont frequency joining the Montrealer and BOS-MTL direct, by means of a New Haven to St. Albans short-turn. But that's unlikely to make the cut if they proceed on the primary study recs since VTrans will already have its finances tapped thin by its initial subsidy of the BOS-MTL frequency. Chances are the short-turn frequency becomes a later add-on in the second decade when they ID a schedule gap between the Montrealer and BOS-MTL slots that's ripe for hole-plugging. Won't be an instantaneous thing. Would be better if VTrans could chuck in a few bucks to bring a Springfield Shuttle to Brattleboro since that's a slightly better terminus than MassDOT's option of funding a poke to Greenfield. But Bellows Falls, White River Jct., or St. Albans are definitely too far for meager VTrans resources.

Deeper-pocketed MassDOT still has interest in keeping a toehold on the Shuttles for repurposement while it mulls its NNEIRI options. Since the lack of funding action on Armory Layover moves out the practical timetable for both full-blown HFD-SPG schedules on the Hartford Line and any speculative start dates on Knowledge Corridor commuter rail into the 2020's (as well as places upper limits on how long they can practically sit on stored retired MBTA equipment), poking a few Shuttles north in the interim becomes a potentially practical means of getting the ball rolling. Even if it's just a temporary thing until the Inland Route upgrades end up re-routing all Shuttles away from Greenfield to Boston...with the commuter trains then backfilling those temporary north-of-SPG slots.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby shadyjay » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:25 pm

radio wrote:When did trains stoop at North Haven? Did they just stop at Devine St? Was there ever a station? I tried search, but "new haven" swamped the results.


The station was located on Devine St just east of Route 5 and north of Route 40, and behind the park & ride lot. This was during the early/mid 1980s. It was never more than just a pair of wooden platforms in the Amtrak era, one on either side of the tracks. This wikipedia (yes, I know) article has some pics and info....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Haven_(CDOT_station)
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby radio » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:23 pm

Thanks, shadyjay. I moved to NoH in 1989, and had heard there was a station there, but I never saw the platforms. Now the mystery is solved!
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby ebtmikado » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:23 am

The previous North Haven station was that brick building at Broadway.

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby The EGE » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:57 pm

Correct - that station closed sometime in the last decade before A-day. The newer station at Devine Road opened in 1980 as part of the state's attempt to make the line more commuter-rail-like - the same project that saw the purchase of the ill-fated SPV-2000 railcars. It and Enfield closed in 1986 due to low ridership. (Full disclosure: I wrote that Wikipedia article and found all the citations.)
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby jdb » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:14 pm

Will TransitAmerica Services and Alternate Concepts have there own equipment pool ?
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:57 pm

No they will use SLE equipment .
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby BandA » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:03 am

So they won't be responsible for track, dispatch, row maintenance or equipment?. They will be responsible for the operating crew? and cleaning? and maintenance of the stations that aren't Amtrak stops?
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:41 am

BandA wrote:So they won't be responsible for track, dispatch, row maintenance or equipment?. They will be responsible for the operating crew? and cleaning? and maintenance of the stations that aren't Amtrak stops?


It's the same as Keolis for MBTA commuter rail, but on a much smaller scale. Keolis runs the commuter trains on the Providence Line, but it's under Amtrak dispatch and MOW using state-owned equipment. And since the RR union contracts are well-regulated, most front-line jobs are 'portable' across contracts much like many veteran T conductors have had Amtrak, MBCR, and Keolis at the top of their paychecks over the years without needing to change jobs (though in this case the ranks are going to be filled by mostly new hires because it's a pure service expansion).

Station management can be split different ways depending on task. On the T it's usually a separate non-Keolis vendor collecting parking fares and plowing the lots, while some stops are town-control. You may even see CTransit pick up the slack if the station in question is a multimodal hub (future West Hartford stop, for instance, since that's going to be integrated with the current busway stop)...similar to how the regional transit districts in Massachusetts manage a lot of the I-495 belt stations.


It's not an unusual setup at all. The choice of bidder is the only eyebrow-raiser, given that this is a bunch of the same cast of characters who looted the last politically-larded T ops contract.
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