The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

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The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby 9C1LT1 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:08 pm

hey guys,

Wanted to give you all a heads up, the Harold Protect jobs have been cut effective September 13, 2010. A Long Island Engine Crew has protected the Tunnels during Commission hours for over 50 years and rescued everything from Pennsylvania Rail Road trains to Amtrak trains. That will all come to an end as the last run of the jobs will be this Friday, September 10, 2010. The engines assigned to these jobs are EMD SW1001's road numbers 102 and 104 which are painted in classic Grey and Orange. They usually travel west between 2:30 and 3:00pm from Jamaica to Harold on the Main Line and travel back east around 8:00pm. I'm not to sure about the morning times, but the weather will be nice these next four days for photos. Someone else could probably better answer this, but I would think the engines will be used as Jamaica protects from now on?

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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby LongIslandTool » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:20 pm

If the storm service suspension doesn't get the LIRR president fired, this will.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby Lirr168 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:24 pm

How is the MTA signing off on this? As a matter of safety, there should be a crew there for an emergency of any kind, especially considering we're perpetually on a terror alert.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby LongIslandTool » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:55 pm

The MTA doesn't know about it.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby tun » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:18 pm

How do people on a message board know this before the MTA does?
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby LIengineerBob » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:25 pm

Maybe this should be brought to the attention of not only the MTA, but possibly the Mayor of NYC, the Governor, the FDNY, MTAPD, and NYPD that in case of an emergency, electrical power outage, terrorist attack or any other myriad assortment of problems that there is NO way to get a stuck or disabled train out of the tunnels, short of ordering another train or awaiting the arrival of an engine from Jamaica to rescue a few thousand people stuck on a train. I even wonder if the idea was put forth to Amtrak before a decision was made on the abolishing of the jobs.

I can not believe, and it appalls me, that in an attempt save a few dollars, the LIRR would put thousands of the riding public and crew members lives at risk. Undoubtedly some one or some thousands will have to get injured or killed before the protects are restored, and in typical LIRR fashion, no one will have to answer for whose decision it was to cut the jobs.

Metro North has AM and PM protects, I am pretty sure NJT and Amtrak also have protects on standby in case of an emergency. As far a LIRR executive management decisions go, this is one of the greatest bone-headed decisions I have ever seen..

What a disgrace to the riding public (and employees), the LIRR's your safety is our number one concern mantra just became a moot point. Their new slogan should be....You safety is our number one concern as long as it doesn't cost us more
money or decrease our on-time performance.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby M7 Warrior » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:35 pm

Those were good jobs when you needed a break and wanted to do something interesting for about 30 minutes a day .Then it got boring as hell! The north engine layup is a pretty desolate place to be . At least the interchange had the tower and was a little more comfortable. Running those engines though, it's like riding an old Harley they have personality of their own.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby Noel Weaver » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:15 pm

I bet some parts of the press would have a field day with this one, especially when the next breakdown occurs in one of the
tunnels with big delays.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:33 pm

9C1LT1 wrote:Wanted to give you all a heads up, the Harold Protect jobs have been cut effective September 13, 2010. A Long Island Engine Crew has protected the Tunnels during Commission hours for over 50 years and rescued everything from Pennsylvania Rail Road trains to Amtrak trains. That will all come to an end as the last run of the jobs will be this Friday, September 10, 2010.
And ironically two days after Penn Station's (and the East River tubes') 100th anniversary.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby peanut1 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:14 pm

So what happens to the diesels? Are they scrapping them or is Riverhead taking them?
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby Lirr168 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:04 pm

peanut1 wrote:So what happens to the diesels? Are they scrapping them or is Riverhead taking them?


They'll probably just be placed back into the pool of work engines with the other MP15s and Sw1001s.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby nyandw » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:36 pm

Folks,

Perhaps some RIP (maybe) photos Sept 13, 2010 if you can get them? IMHO, some version will be back... :wink:

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LIRR #104-#102 Harold Protect westbound at Kew Gardens 05/1995 Archive: Dave Keller

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LIRR #104-#102 Harold Protect Dutch Kills Photo: Bobby Kasza

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Harold Protect Photo: Bobby Kasza
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby Peanuts » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:43 pm

and here at the Long Island Railroad safety is our number 1 priority... but to save $78000 a shift (or $156000) for a year we no longer have Harold Protects to rescue trains from Lines 1-2-3-4. Maybe there is a price for you safety?
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby M7 Warrior » Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:57 am

Because they are set up with prong and funnel couplers they probably will be kept as rescue engines, but then again this is the LIRR a place that is becoming very scary. And not only for the abolition of the Harold protect jobs.
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Re: The End of an Era, The Harold Protects

Postby SlackControl » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:09 am

So, anyone looking to get any last pictures or videos will have until this Friday to document history. I definitely want to get a video of the engines coming into Jamaica to change directions, and another clip of then moving through Forest Hills, rounding the bend. Hopefully they will have both engines paired up for this final week.
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