Engineer retiring....

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Postby NIMBYkiller » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:48 am

Never got to meet him but I always heard good things bout him. What time is his last run today? Perhaps we should all go and surprise him?
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:20 pm

So, what kind of equipment will he be driving tonight for his last official run?

Those C3's as seen on that photo?

Or an MU (M1/3/7)?
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Postby Long island Joe » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:05 pm

I Will Be taking the 6:22pm To KO From Deer Park I Have a LIRR DVD For Him.
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Postby phoenix » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:54 pm

Long island Joe, will you continue on to Greenport as well?

May I ask what is on the DVD? Perhaps we'll meet.
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Postby NIMBYkiller » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:49 pm

Wish I could go, but I've gotta be back up at school in a little over an hour and wont be done til bout 10:30
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Postby mainline » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:11 pm

How many years did Diesel Dan run on the LIRR? The rousabout Joe saw yesterday was the trainset on today's scoot. Nice to see an engine on the west end instead of these darn control cabs. Caught the party train at AH and Holtsville on its run to KO.
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Postby Long island Joe » Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:44 am

Hi everyone here The Train at KO Hope You All Like And it was Nice Meeting You Phoenix Hope To Meet Up Sometime Down The Road.
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Diesel Dan 259

Postby fireman » Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:00 pm

[quote="emfinite"]Saw a roustabout go through Mineola today around 3:30pm. Two cars and two engines. I'm guessing it's the best that the Railroad could do for Dan as a retirement present. Maybe he'll have one of his special horns to put up on his engine tomorrow night. Anyone remember eng 259?

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Joe[/quote]

emfinite: The 259 horn was a labor of love...It actually was a Canadian K5L not a typical LIRR K5LA in which the "A" stands for American. I bought the two chimes and we swapped them out with the 271....The 271 has what Diesel calls the "Italian" horns....the two long trumpets on the outside. It has been this way for about 15 years. It sounds slightly different from a traditional K5LA because there are only 3 musical notes in this one ( two pairs of trumpets are identical). Now you will have to ask "Diesel Don" of the NY & A RR to sound them for you!!! Catch him this week out east on the main for a serenade (headed westbound).

The 259 horn had two musical notes that do not exist in traditional western music on a keyboard. They are inbetween two notes and are called "half-tones". The Canadians wanted it this way to get your attention because it sounds like nothing you've ever heard before. Believe me when you heard the 259 it was truly unique!!!

Diesel told me that Sir Paul McCartney was taking some sun at his Hampton's estate and he heard the 259 . Naturally it caught his attention because of it's unusual tone. He wanted to use the 259 horn in a recording. He called the LIRR but naturally they had no idea what he was talking about so nothing ever became of it!!!

Too bad for us! All the money I spent on those chimes could have been saved in a Sir Paul CD !!!!

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PS: There are some other horns on NY & A RR GP-38s that got tweaked years ago...Cant remeber the number but remeber Alco FA #617 and its brutal K5LA that could blister the paint off anything within a 100ft radius. THat one for some reason had only the top 4 notes in the musical chord operating. The long, low tone trumpet did not work sending all of that main res air to be shared by only the 4 that worked . This horn was truly unique also. We recreated it and it is on one of the GP38s out there now. It doesnt quite sound like the 617 but it is close. It needs a good clean and tune........

There are others as well. Maybe when Diesel writes a book of Railroad experiences he'll talk about the others. They are all on tape in my archive. One day......
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Postby phoenix » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:30 pm

thanks for the photo Joe.

What a nice evening we all spent. That was indeed the consist we rode.

I printed this thread out for Danny to read all your well wishes.

It was a poignant tribute and truly the end of an era!
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Postby 9C1LT1 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:51 pm

Thanks for the horn explanation fireman! I’ve always wondered about the horns on 271, I’ve seen it many times and thought it was done after the unit was leased to the NYAR. Those two outer horns sure look different... When were the original horns that the GP-38’s were delivered with in the 70’s switched out? They had two forward facing trumpets and one rear. You’re going to make me search my videos to see if I have the 259 highballing through Mineola! I missed Dan’s last run last night, Nice photo at KO though LI Joe!

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Postby tushykushy » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:56 pm

Hi fireman,

Actually isn't 271's horn's configured with 2, #1 trumpets (the outer trumpets) a #3 in the middle, and 4a's inbetween? I recently had a look of 271's trumpets and the 4a is just busted! The diaphram is missing and the back piece is totaly seperated from the horn itself, like the shape of an onion ring. A NYAR engineer said it hit a branch, but to break a trumpet?

Was the horn you are talking about the one on 261? 261's middle trumpet isn't a #1, rather a #3. It has to face backwards because having 2 of the same trumpets next to each other won't fit on the manifold. So the configuration is 4,3,3,2,5, rather than the 4,3,1,2,5.
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Postby Long island Joe » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:05 pm

Hi Guys Are You Talking About The Horn The LIRR Had on GP38 #266 For The 160th Anniversary Special To Greenport.
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Postby LIRRNOVA55 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:23 pm

The horn on the anniversery train to GY was a leslie A-200, same as a GG1.
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Horns to GY and the like......

Postby fireman » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:48 am

Tushy, I'm a little rusty on my trumpet numbers but I do believe the two outer horns are #1 on the 271. I stand corrected on the "two pairs " that I stated earlier. The 271 was set up to be the K series equivalent of an M3 or a P3 for that matter. So I believe (without verifying) that the 271 would be a 1-3-5-3-1 configuration. This way they all fit next to each other. It may have been modified by NY&AR since, I dont know.

I can't remember the 266 horn if it was painted blue or not. If it was blue it was mine and it came from a Wabash F. If not it was an LIRR conductors GG-1 horn, which made a famous trip from Babylon to PD about 15 years ago. The loco also featured Dashing Dan logos and American flags. We shook up a transportaion manager who was having a BB-Q with family in Patchogue. When he heard the 14L for the grade crossings he immediately called PD and asked "What the @#$ is that??? That's not our equipment?"...the block operator replied, "That's train 40XX loco number 2XX I'm looking at it pull in". It was a blast! All of this is on tape somewhere.

My old A-200 made a trip to Port Jeff one night....People looked at the train differently when they heard that one!

Also heard on Diesel Dan's locos......Nathan P-3, P-5 and last but not least, freshly rebuilt M-3s....Now there is a great one!!! Anyone remember that trip?????
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Horns

Postby fireman » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:55 pm

[quote="9C1LT1"]Thanks for the horn explanation fireman! I’ve always wondered about the horns on 271, I’ve seen it many times and thought it was done after the unit was leased to the NYAR. Those two outer horns sure look different... When were the original horns that the GP-38’s were delivered with in the 70’s switched out? They had two forward facing trumpets and one rear. You’re going to make me search my videos to see if I have the 259 highballing through Mineola! I missed Dan’s last run last night, Nice photo at KO though LI Joe!

-Barry[/quote]

Barry, I heard that a few or perhaps only one GP-38 was delivered with an M-5 which was promptly struck by the caternary the first time it went into zone A. I am sure they were changed to K5LA right after that.
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