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Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby mirrodie » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:52 pm

WEll, I was impressed. Was playing on flickr with different search strings and found an LIRR album with a bit less that 1000 pics. Great mix of stuff from the 70s through now. Have a look. Dunno if its a member here but nice stuff!

Especially liked the FA #606 at park AVe on its side. This guy got around. Edward Hand. Sorry, here is the link!

Also, just saw this vid last month. Where is this location?
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Re: flickr LIRR

Postby timz » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:22 pm

Anyone else find them?
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby inthebag » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:28 pm

No link?
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby mirrodie » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:05 pm

Links added sorry!
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby gamer4616 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:17 am

mirrodie wrote:
Also, just saw this vid last month. Where is this location?

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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby Morisot » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:29 am

Very cool. Thanks for sharing the link. And, Edward Hand, thank you for making such a wonderful treasury of Long Island and LIRR history!
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby mirrodie » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:58 am

The new #1 is a good friend. WH
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby RGlueck » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:24 am

This is a really great find! What a collection! The person who shot these ether has no fear of being arrested or is a LIRR employee/railfan.
What makes it so great is the inclusion of everyday events, with buildings, features, dead track, new tracks, a variety of equipment, and just the mundane scenes that we all experienced, but let pass into memory. It's a shame there aren't more shots of the ALCO era, but what can you do? I suspect the invention of the digital camera made most of these possible.
The power house and coal pocket at Kings Park is especially interesting to me. Which railbeds, long torn up, are shown? Are the wyes still in place at Port Jeff. and Montauk?
Is that the Corona scrapyard in there?
Terrific collection.
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby SwingMan » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:10 pm

mirrodie wrote:The new #1 is a good friend. WH

Great guy.
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby gamer4616 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:07 pm

The video at Atlantic Pipe was the #1 Conductor SS. The new #1 is AM.

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Re: Flickr LIRR find-Edward Hand Photos

Postby MACTRAXX » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:41 pm

Everyone: The Edward Hand Collection is a great find - I enjoyed looking at the pictures.
Lots of LIRR memories all around with many familiar places and equipment variety.
The MTA era 70s and 80s are well represented along with a few older and some newer.

The posted video of the employee retiring looks to be a member of LIST-NRHS am I right?
Too bad that final stop could have not been in a better place then the landfill W of Hicksville.
That was an interesting way of "pulling the pin" with an audience of family and friends that
looks to include some fellow LIRR employees. When its time its time... :wink:

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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby Teutobergerwald » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:09 pm

Awesome photos. Saw the one of GP38-2 #251 pulling a freight train along with an MP-15ac on page 3. I never saw any of the LIRR's Geeps on freight duty before NYA came into being.
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby PhilBob1 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:56 pm

Great photos. Have to display my ignorance here-what is Promised Land?
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:25 pm

After the Alcos(L-2's)were retired and sent off the property ,the GP38-2's started doing freight duty till the freight ops were spun off to
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Re: Amazing flickr LIRR find -Promised Land

Postby nyandw » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:28 pm

Promised Land - Montauk

Opened: Sometime after 1903 for employees of neighboring fish processing plants. Appears as signal stop in special instructions of ETT #27: 6/25/1903. Appears with station designation of "s110" in 1903, 1913 and 1924 CR4 books. Listed in train schedule of ETT #49: 9/09/1908. (Art Huneke data). is listed in train schedule of ETT of November, 1910. Shelter shed constructed: c. 1918 or earlier. Appears on LIRR 1918 valuation map as "frame passenger" structure (R. Makse data). Appears as flag stop in schedule pages of ETT #106: 5/1927. Robert Emery states station razed: 12/5/27 and station stop discontinued, however ETT #107: 12/26/27 lists station stop in schedule pages but no stops indicated. no longer indicated in ETT #108: 5/23/28 (Art Huneke data)

Maps Emery 1958 and LIRR 1966:

The following from:
The Growth and Decline of the Long Island Rail Road Freight Traffic In Suffolk County LONG ISLAND SUNRISE TRAIL by Michael Bartley

Fish Oil

By the 1850’s the whale population was diminishing due to over killing of the whales and caused a demand for an alternative fuel. The discovery of Menhaden (Fish Bunker) as a replacement of whale oil sparked a boom in the Menhaden fishing and processing on Long Island, as well the east Coast from Maine to North Carolina. There were more than 25 factories around Peconic Bay alone. In 1881 the estimate of menhaden fish caught was 400,000 with a value of $975,000.

Over a period of time with a large number of complaints about the fish smell New York State passed a Health Law that forced the closing of these plants and relocated some plants to different areas. One area of Long Island in 1873 that was unfit for farming due to sandy soil was Napeaque (Promised Land) between Montauk and Amagansett which was uninhabited and also had deep water so that a port could be built.

Bunker oil was promoted as coal miner’s lamp fuel, a lubricant for machinery, an additive to paint, cosmetics, linoleum, margarine, soap, and insecticides, and what was left over after the oil was cooked out of the fish could be used for animal feed.[3]

By 1881 there were more than 350 ships supplying menhaden to 97 fish factories in the East End that employed more than 2,800 people. In 1898 a British and American consortium decided to invest in the bunker fishing trade. They formed a company named American Fisheries Company and bought most of the fish factories from Maine to the East End of Long Island, creating a monopoly in the industry. At Promised Land they bought all 7 fish factories that were there. The LIRR built a large freight yard and a freight station in Promised Land for the American Fisheries Company. A fire the next year destroyed the freight station along with some freight cars.

Due to overfishing of bunkers, the American Fisheries Company reorganized in 1900. Another fire at one of the Promised Land factories in 1907 caused the American Fisheries Company to go bankrupt. The plant closed down in 1926. The Hayes and Anderson Fishers Product plant was destroyed by fire in 1930 leaving only one remaining factory in Promised Land- the Triton Oil and Fertilizer Company which was purchased by Gilbert P. Smith. He owned a number of processing plants along the East Coast. Mr. Smith upgraded and modernized the fish meal factory. He owned a fleet of 17 fishing boats that was based in Greenport to fish for the Bunkers along the East Coast from Massachusetts to North Carolina. After World War Two he also used four Piper Cub aircraft that flew out of the Hamptons to aid in searching for Bunkers and radio to the ship the location of the schools that were seen. [4] The boats would be out for a week trapping fish in their nets during the fishing season between April and October when the fish meal factory was opened.

During this time millions of bunker’s were unloaded at the Promised Land Factory dock and then boiled in huge vats and crushed by huge rollers. The fish oil was then piped into large storage tanks and later shipped out by rail road tank cars. The fish meal, which was left over pulp and bone, was a high protein supplement for animal feed. It would be blown into boxcar roof hatches[5] and also shipped by the LIRR westward to Holban Yard and beyond. The LIRR also shipped bulk fuel to the fish factory. The Smith Fish Meal factory closed in 1968 and that ended the Long Island Bunker Fishing Industry.

Smith’s fish meal factory at Promised Land, notice warehouse, water tank, fish oil storage tanks, dock. Photographer unknown

Note: During my Nat'l Park Ranger Service in the 1970's at Fire Island Nat'l Seashore, Sailor's Haven, NY the locals all still referred to this fish as "Bunker". It was used as a favorite chum fish during the annual Shark Tournaments. Also, generally referred to as "a garbage fish" as considered inedible.
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