California High-Speed Rail (CAHSR) System

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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby ExCon90 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:08 pm

I think any possibility of achieving higher speeds would be negated by the number of slots taken up by Metrolink and Coaster, which, as electricron points out, are non-electrified and likely to remain so. The whole operation would be a classic example of the difficulty of interweaving locals and expresses on a double-track line while providing a clockface (hourly, or half-hourly?) schedule for the expresses. And before somebody points out that they do it in Europe all the time, let it be noted that it requires two through and two station tracks at the local stations--like Bayshore and Lawrence on Caltrain (just imagine the reaction in Encinitas!)--plus an on-time culture that has not reached these shores.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby electricron » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:56 am

New cost estimations for the San Jose to Madera sector through the Pacheco Pass.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html
"When the first California bullet train pulls out of San Jose one day, a crucial part of the journey will be a 13.5-mile tunnel beneath the winding peaks and valleys of Pacheco Pass.
Bent Flyvbjerg, a University of Oxford professor who has studied high-speed rail projects around the world, estimated the cost could range from $5.6 billion (with a 50% chance of a cost overrun) to $14.6 billion (with a 20% chance of a cost overrun).
An executive at one of the nation’s leading engineering firms, who was not authorized to publicly comment on the state rail plan but is knowledgeable about the project, estimated the cost would run from $10 billion to $12 billion, based on recent experience with long tunnels in difficult geology.
Herbert Einstein, an MIT civil engineer and expert on tunnel construction, put the cost at roughly $6 billion — saying that was on the low side, based on his experience in other projects."

And that's not the only place CHSR will have to tunnel, there's potentially 36 miles of tunnels under the Southern California mountains as well.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby kaitoku » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:20 am

DB confirmed as early train operator:
The California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) has confirmed that DB Engineering and Consulting has been awarded an early train operator services contract to assist with the United State’s first high-speed railway.
The announcement comes a month after CHSRA ranked the consortium – which consists of DB, Alternate Concepts, and HDR – above three rival bids in the race to secure the deal.

https://www.globalrailnews.com/2017/11/ ... peed-rail/
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby David Benton » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:23 am

Talk about putting the cart before the donkey , but I guess it was something they could do without spending much money.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby deathtopumpkins » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:23 am

Not really putting the cart before the horse/donkey. It's important to have the future operator's input in designing what they're going to be running. DB knows what they're doing with HSR, so they can help the CHSRA with final design to ensure the system will run smoothly once ready for service.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby lensovet » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:01 am

my thoughts exactly
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:20 pm

Today, it's The Times turn to "tee-off":

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us/c ... -rail.html

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.FRESNO, Calif. — It is vigorously opposed by Republicans, including President Trump. It has been plagued by escalating costs and delays. Californians are mostly against it. And a central question — how is it going to be paid for — remains unresolved.

But here in the Central Valley, far from the debates in Washington and Sacramento, the $100 billion Los Angeles-to-San Francisco bullet train has moved off the drawing board and onto 21 construction sites spread across five Central California counties.

Work began two weeks ago on one of the more ambitious pieces of the project — an overpass that will carry trains over a major highway in Fresno — and ground will be broken on three more viaducts in the next few months. Nearly 2,000 workers are on the job, starting as early as 5 a.m. to avoid the 110-degree afternoon heat. “Simply put, dirt is flying in the Central Valley,” the High-Speed Rail Authority declared in a recent business plan.

Yet for all the cranes, crews in orange vests, beeping trucks and fresh concrete, it remains far from certain that this project will ever be completed. In addition to the lack of funding, it faces opposition from both Mr. Trump and Kevin McCarthy, the Bakersfield Republican who is the House majority leader.


While this is an article which represents reporting by a news organization that I believe carefully distinguishes between such and opinion, the article sets a negative tone for the completion of such and if completed the value of the transportation provided in relation to its cost.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby John_Perkowski » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:12 pm

For my native state to receive funding on this, it will take a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby mtuandrew » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:28 pm

John_Perkowski wrote:For my native state to receive funding on this, it will take a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President.

I agree on the D Congress (both houses), but Trump seems happy to put pen to paper as long as he can profit in either reputation or currency. Secy Chao has a vested interest in big American construction projects, and happens to know a certain powerful senator who could help shepherd a bill if it does benefit conservatives as well.
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby gokeefe » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:41 pm

California is committed ... They're going to fund it themselves if they have to ...
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Re: CA California CAHSR System

Postby lensovet » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:53 am

great pictures but i struggle to make sense of commentary like this:

For all the construction, the project faces the ever-present threat that a future governor may decide that state resources would be better used dealing with, to name one example, the housing crisis


how, pray tell, will the government solve the housing crisis? what funds, that were destined for this project, could be redirected for such a purpose, and how would they be spent?
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Re: California High-Speed Rail (CAHSR) System

Postby tomj » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:49 pm

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and this state needs a far more expansive rail network. I want high speed, but we also need a network that has trans weaving their way around the state where 100 mph is normal instead of a distant dream. Hell getting 5,000 miles of upgraded track could be done for less than what we are spending to get our roads back up to deficient. But funding a state wide Amtrak style system would take more money than the state could ever hope to raise. So we are stuck with ill planned projects like this. Never mind our housing crisis, outrageous utilities, and moronically complicated local government structure.
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