NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

Moderators: GirlOnTheTrain, gprimr1, Amtrak67 of America, Tadman

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby east point » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:25 pm

Hawaiitiki wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but is this article only referring to an "apples to apples" replacement? 2 tracks replaced by 2 tracks? Isn't one of the goals to at the very least triple (hope quadruple) track the distance between the waterfront connection junction and New York Penn? $1.5billion for a two track non-moveable bridge seems insane.


Yes you are missing something. Media types do get their writing incorrect. The plan as posted elsewhere on Gateway sites has the first 2 track north Portal bridge to be constructed. The present swing bridge will be kept in service but if it has a failure it can be taken out of service and repaired. Once funding is acquired for the 2 track Portal south bridge then the swing bridge will be removed. So the swing bridge is going to be around for awhile. Since the whole NEC Gateway project needs funds the south Portal bridge is one of the last items to start construction.

At one time the Gateway project list was ----- subject to changes no one is aware
1. 2 track North Portal bridge and all track work. Preliminary work has already started for isolation of the column areas.
2. 2 new North (Hudson) river tunnel bores
3. NYP Penn south station construction
4. 4 tracking from North river tunnel bores to Newark Penn station.
5. 2 track south Portal bridge ( with connections changed from swing bridge )
5a. Removal of Portal swing bridge
6. Secaucus loop track
7. East river tunnel bores 5 & 6 connecting to new Penn south tracks. Subject to the new New York city water tunnel (2 or 3 ? ) construction finished south of NYP.
8. Dock draw over Passaic river rehabilitated ( just north of Newark Penn station ).
As stated above these projects may be started in different order. Since the projects will take different times to complete items started later may be completed earlier.
east point
 
Posts: 740
Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:50 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby EuroStar » Thu May 18, 2017 1:03 pm

So the first contract for the bridge has been awarded. http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=PressReleaseTo&PRESS_RELEASE_ID=3139
NJ TRANSIT has taken another step toward improving service reliability on the Northeast Corridor by moving forward with the Portal Bridge North Project and entering into an early action construction contract award.
At today’s Board of Directors’ meeting, the Board authorized a vote to enter into an early action contract with PKF-Mark III Inc., of Newtown, Pa., for the amount of $14.5 million, plus five percent for contingencies, subject to the availability of funds.
...
Work is expected to begin in July and is anticipated to be completed by the first-quarter of 2019.


This surely feels like a third world country -- for a bridge that is expected to cost $1B spending the first $15M takes about an year and a half. Makes me wonder if even the money was in the bank today (it is not) when would they expect to finish this?
EuroStar
 
Posts: 404
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:26 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby Woody » Thu May 18, 2017 10:34 pm

After enduring the waits on CAF's Viewliner II cars and Nippon-Sharyo's bi-level cars, I guess I can wait for the new North Portal Bridge. LOL.

I'll console myself that for a mere $15 million they're getting a lot of little stuff out of the way. So it's a start. (Sigh)
The Early Action Construction project includes the realignment of a 138kV transmission pole, the installation of new fiber optic cable poles, the construction of a construction access structure known as a finger pier, the construction of a steel bridge structure over the Jersey City Municipal Utility Authority water main, and the construction of a retaining wall just west of the Frank R. Lautenberg Station at Secaucus Junction.
And actually, I wasn't expecting even $15 million of work to start this soon!
Woody
 
Posts: 815
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:03 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby ThirdRail7 » Fri May 19, 2017 12:03 am

Since it is taking Amtrak 6 years (as of this post) to build three miles of track outside of Wilmington, I suppose this whole project may be wrapped up be 2030 at this point.
I want my road foreman!
ThirdRail7
 
Posts: 3968
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby Suburban Station » Fri May 19, 2017 8:30 am

my how things have changed since david gunn left
Suburban Station
 
Posts: 3204
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:11 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby ThirdRail7 » Fri May 19, 2017 12:19 pm

He would have fired a great deal of people by now. However, we have a NS CEO and he is willing to shake things up and cut through things. It is nice to see an operations person at the helm again.
I want my road foreman!
ThirdRail7
 
Posts: 3968
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby Suburban Station » Fri May 19, 2017 8:29 pm

Just hope he stays long enough to see it through.
Suburban Station
 
Posts: 3204
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:11 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby ThirdRail7 » Fri May 19, 2017 10:04 pm

That is a major issue. He has indicated that he does not plan to stay around long and looks forward to going back into retirement. He intends to get Amtrak on the right path and turn it over to someone else.

I think he is doing a decent job thus far but if he leaves, the next group may just change everything all over again.
I want my road foreman!
ThirdRail7
 
Posts: 3968
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby east point » Sat May 20, 2017 1:58 pm

http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servlet. ... SE_ID=3139

The link has an important feature. It appears a bridge will be needed across a water line. That cities' main probably is cast iron and would be very likely to break under stress of construction trucks, cranes, dredges, etc. It may be that the water line cannot be taken out of service to replace it with ductile iron pipe encased in a steel conduit. We feel anything less may still lead to the pipe being prone to breakage with all the construction traffic over the bridge and possibility of some vehicle missing or falling off the bridge.
This is a factor that risk assessment must consider.
east point
 
Posts: 740
Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:50 pm

Portal Bridge decision

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:58 am

If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

Retired Triebfahrzeugführer
User avatar
DutchRailnut
 
Posts: 21228
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:02 pm
Location: released from Stalag 13

Re: Portal Bridge decision

Postby Greg Moore » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:54 am

That's a good step.
Check out QuiCR, Quick, Crowdsourced Responses for businesses.
Greg Moore
 
Posts: 4939
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:15 am

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby Jeff Smith » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:21 pm

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... urdle.html

Portal Bridge project clears another hurdle

WASHINGTON -- The Federal Transit Administration on Wednesday approved the environmental impact statement for the Portal Bridge replacement, an important step toward obtaining federal funding for the $1.6 billion project.

Replacing the century-old bridge over Hackensack River in Kearny is part of the Gateway Tunnel project, which also includes new tracks under the Hudson River.

When the old swing bridge gets stuck in the open position, it delays train traffic in the heavily traveled Northeast Corridor. The new bridge would be a higher, fixed span.

The federal government is being asked to pay about half the cost. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, New Jersey Transit and Amtrak also are involved with the project.
...
Next stop, Willoughby
~Jeff Smith (fka "Sarge") :: RAILROAD.NET Site Administrator
Jeff Smith
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7444
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 am
Location: MP 67.2 Georgia Southern Railway

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby EuroStar » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:36 am

Ground has been broken on the Portal Bridge replacement https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/transportation/2017/10/13/gateway-project-portal-bridge-hackensack-river-1-billion-dollars/759758001/. This must be for the work platform and utility relocation. To the best of my knowledge the bridge is still not fully funded.
EuroStar
 
Posts: 404
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:26 pm
Location: Middle of Nowhere

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby JamesRR » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:26 am

To be clear, the first phase is just a two track replacement bridge, higher up than the current one?? Then another will join it (eventually)?
User avatar
JamesRR
 
Posts: 282
Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:31 pm

Re: NEC Portal Bridge Thread - Operation, Replacement Etc.

Postby Woody » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:47 pm

Yes. You got it.
Woody
 
Posts: 815
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:03 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Amtrak

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: andegold and 12 guests