Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby Arlington » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:35 pm

eolesen wrote:Lots of reasons not to like gallery cars, but ticket inspection isn’t one of them. It’s the primary advantage they hold over a split level or two level car.

This is about Intercity trains, right? Where fare collection, however it happens, is going to be EITHER:
  • Fairly leisurely (30 mins between stops) and not need a gallery car's "one pass covers two levels"
  • Probably integrated into a Rapid Transit or Commuter media, which is trending to RF proximity/tap (see MBTA AFC 2.0) or photo/gantry (EZPass), and away from visual (neither paper nor app screen)
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby Jeff Smith » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:52 pm

We’ve discussed Gallery cars and ticketing policies. Back on topic please. Is there anything new on this order?
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby WesternNation » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:03 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:We’ve discussed Gallery cars and ticketing policies. Back on topic please. Is there anything new on this order?


Only new thing on the order is that car shells 9-12 began production back in November.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby ApproachMedium » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:07 am

I am curious if any of this stuff will make it to the NEC for demo as Jan the amfleet replacement RFP should be coming out.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:54 am

Siemen's order book is already full for now with the Amtrak Charger order, VIA's Corridor stock/Charger order, and the Caltrain/Midwest orders
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby Jeff Smith » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:54 pm

Discussion of CtDOT fleet plans: viewtopic.php?f=67&t=168928

Discussion of Amfleet I replacement: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=167954
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby gokeefe » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 pm

At LONG LAST ... Thanks to everyone at the NGEC Committee and Siemens.

The first 12 carshells are in production at Siemens Sacramento Facility and final assembly has begun on Carshell #1.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby bostontrainguy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:18 pm

Any thoughts on what the "withdrawal of the car length DCR" means?
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:59 pm

bostontrainguy wrote:Any thoughts on what the "withdrawal of the car length DCR" means?

Probably “design change request.” That said, I don’t know why they would have wanted to change the car length or to what length.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby bostontrainguy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:14 am

mtuandrew wrote:
bostontrainguy wrote:Any thoughts on what the "withdrawal of the car length DCR" means?

Probably “design change request.” That said, I don’t know why they would have wanted to change the car length or to what length.


The only manufacturer who might have interest in this is Talgo I would think . . . maybe?
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby Matt Johnson » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:00 am

gokeefe wrote:At LONG LAST ... Thanks to everyone at the NGEC Committee and Siemens.

The first 12 carshells are in production at Siemens Sacramento Facility and final assembly has begun on Carshell #1.


Contrast that detailed info with the complete lack of progress updates on the Viewliner II sleepers.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby Greg Moore » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:27 pm

Remind me (since I don't want to go through pages of stuff) the ultimate goal: This is to replace the Horizons that originally the Bilevels were going to replace?

So assuming these cars get delivered, this frees up Horizons for some routes, which could mean freeing up more Amfleets?
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby jamesinclair » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:56 pm

I believe the Comet Cars are first in line for replacement.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:41 pm

Yes, the Comets won't be around forever. The Comet IIs are the oldest comets operating on NJT. The Horizon cars were based off of the design of the original NJT Comet IIs. If the Comet IIs are going to be retired soon, then I'm sure that the Horizons will as well. It will be a welcoming sight to see the Siemens single level cars operating in the Heartland and also covering trains in California as well. It sounds like Siemens will be the manufacturer for the passenger cars to operate on the majority of Amtrak routes, especially in the Northeast.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Postby gokeefe » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:20 pm

Greg Moore wrote:So assuming these cars get delivered, this frees up Horizons for some routes, which could mean freeing up more Amfleets?


Exactly ... And the order includes some "makeup" cars that would account for the difference between bi-level and single level seating capacity.

Although the Amfleet replacement order is in progress these cars will likely enter service in significant numbers within 12 months. Consequently there should be a helpful increase in capacity on other routes or corridors.

There remains some question about what might happen to the Horizon cars. There are some interesting possibilities for these cars for the next few years as they get replaced.
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