Overnight Coach Configuration Ideas

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Re: Overnight Services? SLUMBERCOACH!!

Postby CarterB » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:33 pm

Bring back the Slumbercoaches!!
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Re: Overnight Services? SLUMBERCOACH!!

Postby tomj » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:54 pm

CarterB wrote:Take a look for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voGVjSUeIAo

I have seen that

We'd have to punch a new window in the Amfleet or Horizon cars and that may not be structurally possible to do. I am not saying that a new version of a slumber coach could be designed and be successful as its own car. An open section would be easier to adapt into an existing car. Not to mention it would likely be cheaper to install for an experiment.
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Re: Overnight Services?

Postby Arlington » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:23 pm

I'd propose going in two different directions on this.
1) Could View IIs be Slumbercoached?

2) Running a 2nd and 3rd overnight on the NEC (with regular NER Amfleets)
- 66/67 Currently run Boston - Newport News
- I'd add a second BOS and a new SPG on the north/east
- I'd a new one to (LYH or ROA) and a new one to (RVR or NFK)

And ideally based on trains that currently exist as wee-hour southbounds from NYP (111 and 151) or wee-hour northbounds from WAS (190 and 170)
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Re: Overnight Services?

Postby tomj » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:31 pm

I like the idea, but do we even have enough Viewliners or sidelined Superliners to try that?

Part of the reason why I am suggesting this for the Amfleets is they are going to get replaced in the not so distant future and Amtrak should take advantage of that rather than scrapping them like they normally do.
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Re: Overnight Services?

Postby Arlington » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:32 pm

I have updated to show that the Overnight NECs that I'd propose would run without sleepers. The purpose would be to freshly probe the corridor overnight market with the equipment on hand.
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Re: Overnight Services?

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:18 pm

Ah, I knew we had just talked about this same subject: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=163284

Mods, can you link these up?
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Re: Overnight Services?

Postby tomj » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:51 pm

A more efficient solution would be to lock one of the discussions near the top of the Amtrak sections so people can just add onto one long one.
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Re: Overnight Services?

Postby ryanov » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:19 am

The best article I've seen so far about Slumbercoaches: https://www.train-museum.org/wp-content ... oaches.pdf

Seems this is a demographic Amtrak has been missing since, what, 1995?
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Re: Overnight Coach Configuration Ideas

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Re: Overnight Serices?

Postby mtuandrew » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:13 pm

benboston wrote:Amtrak should have on their website information that says how much of the duration of your trip will be spent awake versus asleep. To do this people would put in when they plan on sleeping. This would make the trips a lot more reasonable, and it would probably increase ridership.

Wouldn’t that be the timetable and one’s own internal schedule?
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Re: Overnight Coach Configuration Ideas

Postby Greg Moore » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:06 pm

One would think so, but I think the "12 hours on the train, but 8 sleeping, 1 for dinner and :30 for minutes" part could be better advertised at times.

Forgetting slumbercoaches for a moment, I think it's pretty clear the new sleepers (and more) could easily be put to work, but also there needs to be better/more marketing.
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Re: Overnight Coach Configuration Ideas

Postby ryanov » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:58 am

My first long distance trip was BOS to STL on the LSL and Texas Eagle. I agree with that sentiment -- it seemed like it was going to be really long but tolerable (I couldn't afford the flight and the Amtrak trip was free with AGR points). In reality, on that trip, you spend some time on the first train, then you're at dinner for awhile (I met some new people and drank wine for quite awhile in the diner), then some sort of after dinner entertainment -- reading or whatever -- and then you go to sleep, have breakfast, maybe a shower, and it's over. It's lots of hours, but 8 of them are theoretically sleeping, and eating is another long stretch (except Amtrak has now ruined that part on the LSL).
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