City of New Orleans CoNO Extension/Sunset Limited (East)

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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:29 pm

Suburban Station wrote:true, restoration of the old route would get them off CN for that portion. I believe it's owned by a short line

Three guesses with the first two not counting, who operates that Short Line?
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby bdawe » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:25 am

I'm pretty sure that the suggestion was to re-route over Grenada and bring the old line up to passenger speeds
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby eolesen » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:15 pm

gokeefe wrote:Because BNSF (Empire Buildier and Southwest Chief) is an exceptionally cooperative host ... CN (City of New Orleans) has an adversarial relationship with Amtrak on certain (most?) items ...


It's not just Amtrak that the CN is adversarial with. They also hate Metra, effectively killed off the Star proposal when they took control of the EJ&E, and haven't allowed any meaningful expansions on the Heritage or NCS corridors.
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby Suburban Station » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:42 pm

Gilbert B Norman wrote:
Suburban Station wrote:true, restoration of the old route would get them off CN for that portion. I believe it's owned by a short line

Three guesses with the first two not counting, who operates that Short Line?

Cn sold it in 2009, it changed hands again in 2015 and is operated by iph
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:44 pm

It's part of Iowa Pacific now,make $$$ off of car storage fees.
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:49 pm

Backshophoss wrote:It's part of Iowa Pacific now,make $$$ off of car storage fees.

Wonder what the North Central Mississippi Regional Railroad Authority thinks of Iowa Pacific these days. It isn't like there's enough cash in that part of MS (or the will in the rest of the state) to repair the Grenada District to mainline standards though, let alone 100 mph City of New Orleans speeds.
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby gokeefe » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:19 pm

I think we should probably count our lucky stars that Amtrak is running over CN in that part of the country ...
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby mtuandrew » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:32 pm

gokeefe wrote:I think we should probably count our lucky stars that Amtrak is running in that part of the country ...

Fixed that for you
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby gokeefe » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:42 pm

Lol ... that too ...
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby Rockingham Racer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:28 am

A recent letter from CSX to the Atmore [AL] News says it will cost $2 Billion dollars to bring things up to passenger train standards, and that even then, the service will under-perform according to the legal standards of 80 % on time performance at stations. Two billion dollars? Did I miss something?
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby OrangeGrove » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:02 pm

That is CSX's most recent "negotiating position", according to reports (aimed at masking the passenger proposals just go away, I'd imagine). Before CSX walked out of the negotiations, they had been talking at the (still ludicrous) $800 million level.

Only half facetiously, I'd really like to ask CSX how they have managed to neglect and and generally let the railroad get so 'run down' in twelve years that it'd take $2 billion to get it back to the standards it was previously.
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby scoostraw » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:50 pm

So how does this work? Amtrak has compelled access as I understand it.

How can the host railroad be forced to spend the coin necessary to upgrade and maintain the trackage for passenger usage?
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby gokeefe » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:40 pm

scoostraw wrote:So how does this work? Amtrak has compelled access as I understand it.


Correct but no one can compel the host railroad to upgrade existing infrastructure. The railroads can also claim that they "need" certain improvements in order to be able to operate. They have a lot of leeway in how much they can demand in capital improvements and on busy Class I lines it's pretty easy for them to establish their case.

scoostraw wrote:How can the host railroad be forced to spend the coin necessary to upgrade and maintain the trackage for passenger usage?


If they receive federally provided capital funds they must commit to maintain the tracks to a certain standard which varies depending on the intent of the grant (freight v. passenger).
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby electricron » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:10 pm

gokeefe wrote:
scoostraw wrote:How can the host railroad be forced to spend the coin necessary to upgrade and maintain the trackage for passenger usage?


If they receive federally provided capital funds they must commit to maintain the tracks to a certain standard which varies depending on the intent of the grant (freight v. passenger).


But likewise, if they don't accept federal funds for capital improvements then they don't have to maintain the higher standards for passenger rail.
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Re: Sunset Limited (East) CoNO City of New Orleans Extension

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:27 pm

That was the thinking CSX took after the route was damaged after that Hurricane that suspended service east of NOL.
CSX DID reopen that route to freight traffic,but would NOT accept Amtrak's $$$ for need repairs for passenger service return.
About that time CSX demanded a new Inland route as part of the funding needed to return the Sunset Ltd east back to the line used.
That forced the now ongoing "service suspended" tag to placed on the route east of NOL. :( :( :(
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