All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby STrRedWolf » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:02 pm

And finally complete: Google doc of Pennsylvianian expanded service timings

A few notes:

These use the timings I had gotten off the schedule and played around with earlier in this thread. Google Doc, of course, so copy and play.

I chose to terminate the train from PIT at PHL namely not to introduce more traffic on the NEC going into NYC. Folks can transfer onto the Regionals if they need to.

The timings used the newly posted Keystone schedule, namely as a stab at keep the equipment requirements down to maybe two extra regular trains and two sleeper sets. I kept the current Pennsy's timing, and tried to arrange the extras roughly eight hours apart and aligning with the Keystone's scheduling.

The sleeper would sit in PIT and PHL on a currently unused track until late at night, then set off and be at the other end at a reasonable hour. Any lengthening of the times on the sleeper actually would be beneficial for passengers, because it's barely 8 hours from one end to the other.

It's not the end all be all, just a theoretical. If Amtrak ends up using it, I'd like to have *some* credit... :)
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby STrRedWolf » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:04 pm

chuchubob wrote:Cross posted from Private Varnish topic:
Train 43 Pennsylvanian had PV BABBLING BROOK on Friday.
Departing for Pittsburgh.


My first thought was: "My that's a damn good tail car."

My second thought was: "Isn't it early for it to go to Anthrocon?" :) (Yeah, it's that time again for me, but no train this time alas)
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby chuchubob » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:39 pm

BABBLING BROOK is scheduled to return to New York on train 42 on Sunday (tomorrow).
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby Philly Amtrak Fan » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:49 pm

STrRedWolf wrote:And finally complete: Google doc of Pennsylvianian expanded service timings

A few notes:

These use the timings I had gotten off the schedule and played around with earlier in this thread. Google Doc, of course, so copy and play.

I chose to terminate the train from PIT at PHL namely not to introduce more traffic on the NEC going into NYC. Folks can transfer onto the Regionals if they need to.

The timings used the newly posted Keystone schedule, namely as a stab at keep the equipment requirements down to maybe two extra regular trains and two sleeper sets. I kept the current Pennsy's timing, and tried to arrange the extras roughly eight hours apart and aligning with the Keystone's scheduling.

The sleeper would sit in PIT and PHL on a currently unused track until late at night, then set off and be at the other end at a reasonable hour. Any lengthening of the times on the sleeper actually would be beneficial for passengers, because it's barely 8 hours from one end to the other.

It's not the end all be all, just a theoretical. If Amtrak ends up using it, I'd like to have *some* credit... :)


I love the idea for overnight service between PGH and PHL. I'd use it (I wouldn't even need the sleepers). As for the eastern overnight, how about the 640 leaving HAR at 5:00am and arriving in PHL at 6:45am to arrive at a friendlier time in PHL (and a little closer to the morning in HAR). The train would still leave PGH before midnight or not very much after (an extended 642 would leave PGH significantly after midnight).
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby STrRedWolf » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:31 pm

Philly Amtrak Fan wrote:I love the idea for overnight service between PGH and PHL. I'd use it (I wouldn't even need the sleepers). As for the eastern overnight, how about the 640 leaving HAR at 5:00am and arriving in PHL at 6:45am to arrive at a friendlier time in PHL (and a little closer to the morning in HAR). The train would still leave PGH before midnight or not very much after (an extended 642 would leave PGH significantly after midnight).


I considered that, but remember the Capitol Limited also stops there around Midnight. I think giving a buffer of at least an hour between the trains will help prevent switch contention there.
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby gp80mac » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:02 pm

I doubt you'd be able to run your proposed CM* train. During the night, a lot of maintenance work happens along the Keystone line east of Harrisburg. Plus there's a couple of NS locals that have to serve the industries along that stretch. There's not that large of a night window currently - so trying to run a passenger train in the middle of it is probably not going to happen.
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby STrRedWolf » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:55 pm

And this is why I put it in a Google Doc, so that folks can copy it and play around with it on their accounts. :)
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby liftedjeep » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:16 pm

-Amtrak P42 #145 "Phase III Heritage" is leading west on today's (7/13) "Pennsylvanian" #43.
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby chuchubob » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:16 pm

Thanks for the heads-up, Ben.
Train 42 arriving 30th Street Station with AMTK 145.
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby liftedjeep » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:10 pm

-Amtrak #145 "Phase III Heritage" leading west on "The Pennsylvanian" #43 through the Narberth station. I was almost "snubbed" by an eastbound Keystone Service #666, as is evident by the cab car that can be seen passing the last few coaches on "The Pennsylvanian".

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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby chuchubob » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:27 pm

P42DC 97 developed flat wheels taking train 42 to Philadelphia on Thursday so was unavailable to take train 43 west on Friday. No protect P42DC was present at Race Street, so train 43 used ACS-64 608 from Philadelphia to Harrisburg.
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby ohioriverrailway » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:25 pm

Something else going on with Keystone service tonight..looks like 3 trains 'disrupted." Wire down?
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby JoeG » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:20 pm

There was a leak in a propane gas line in Steelton. As a result Keystone trains started and ended in Middletown and buses were provided between Harrisburg and Middletown.
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby ohioriverrailway » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:35 pm

Thanks Joe G.
Today's 42/43 disrupted also east of Harrisburg. Anybody know what's happening?
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Re: All things Pennsylvanian AND Keystone West

Postby JoeG » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:09 pm

Turns out it took till tonight for them to declare the area of the propane leak safe and let the residents back in their homes.So I am assuming that disrupted Keystone and Pennsylvanian service. I am assuming tomorrow will have normal service.
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