Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Larry » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:33 pm

I was correct, they have the TLM working North towards Windsor from North end of Hartford Ct yard. They are almost at Meadow Rd crossing and hope to make it to East Barber by tonight but I don't think they will make it that far today.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Arlington » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:26 pm

gokeefe wrote:
Jeff Smith wrote:
asull85 wrote:I've been hearing some mumbling that the bustituted shuttles will be returning soon and crews may start qualifying to Greenfield.

Greenfield. Interesting. MA find some money?
There are indications that the funding issue has been resolved.

Presumably that's Amtrak crews and MassDOT operating funding that would be required (under PRIIA) to extend Amtrak ops from Springfield to Greenfield (just short of NH line). Do I get that right?
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Larry » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:53 pm

TLM has stopped for the night under Rte 291 in Windsor. The crossing at East Barber is now connected. They will continue North to Island road at Loomis Chaffee tomorrow.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby gokeefe » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:44 pm

Arlington wrote:Presumably that's Amtrak crews and MassDOT operating funding that would be required (under PRIIA) to extend Amtrak ops from Springfield to Greenfield (just short of NH line). Do I get that right?

Likely correct.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby BandA » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:51 pm

MassDOT owns the line Springfield to Greenfield to NH line? Did I read correktly that they are using Amtrak or Amtrak's contractor to upgrade the track? And MassDOT is going to pay Amtrak to extend the shuttles north to Greenfield, rather than paying CT to extend NHHS CR
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby whatelyrailfan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:39 pm

The State of Massachusetts bought the Connecticut River Line from Springfield to the East Northfield Switch, where the track connects with NECR a few years back, and they WILL be running commuter service north from Springfield probably within the next 5-10 years. Norfolk Southern track crews replaced the rail, and lots of ties in 2013-2014, but a major tie replacement job is scheduled and as far as I know it'll be Pan Am crews which is why it keeps getting postponed.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:29 pm

it will also need signal upgrade to PTC.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:30 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:it will also need signal upgrade to PTC.


They wouldn't need to install PTC to extend the Shuttles. The Conn River would qualify under this exemption in the PTC rules:

(2) Passenger service is operated on a segment of track of a freight railroad that is not a Class I railroad on which less than 15 million gross tons of freight traffic is transported annually and on which one of the following conditions applies:

(ii) If the segment is signaled (e.g., equipped with a traffic control system, automatic block signal system, or cab signal system) and no more than 12 regularly scheduled passenger trains are operated during a calendar day.


Pan Am Southern (despite the backing presence of NS) is a Class II, the Conn River handles less than 15 million tons annually, and it has a CTC (wayside-only) signal system.

The Shuttles currently run 4 round-trips on weekdays, 5 round-trips on weekends...and then there's the one Vermonter round-trip. That's 10 passenger trains on weekdays, 12 on weekends. You could extend all Shuttles and add one to the weekday schedule without triggering a PTC install.



...for now, at least. Should NS buy out Pan Am's half of PAS in the next few years as widely anticipated then the Conn River becomes part of a Class I and the exemption drops from 12 to 4 trains per day. So there is some outside risk involved in holding onto that exemption, though there'd probably be a new deadline drafted for that individual installation of X years forward from the date the line becomes part of a Class I.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:07 pm

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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Larry » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:08 pm

TLM is all done in Windsor CT. Completed double track up to Island Road today. The remaining track to north will be done the old fashion way. I believe I heard someone say the TLM will be heading to Rhode Island right after this but not sure.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby BandA » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:45 pm

Why are they using a TLM south of Windsor, CT, but using less efficient methods north of there?
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Larry » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:58 pm

They used the TLM for about 40 or 45 or so miles from New Haven up to Windsor. The portion North of Windsor is only about 1/2 mile left to connect Island Road to Central Street and just beyond where double track begins again and goes to almost Windsor Locks. From that point in Windsor Locks to Springfield will be in phase two I believe and not sure when that will kick off. For most part, dbl track from New Haven to Hartford Union Station where it goes to single track and then North of the station it will be dbl track to Windsor/ Windsor Locks.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby slc1234 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:42 pm

i am currently working on the Batchelder Street bridge for the contractor that is doing all the site work, right now we are looking at a completion date in two weeks and then the Amtrak crews will follow up behind us to lay the rail. Last we heard they were having some design issues with the next phase and it was going to be a year before any work will start, everyone was really hoping we would just continue northward but it doesn't look like that will be happening.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby travelrobb » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:14 pm

On the Vermonter now heading north from Springfield. We're just crawling -- all the way through Holyoke and only moving slightly faster as we approach Northampton. What exactly was improved here? And what prevents trains from reaching, I don't know, 60 mph on this stretch?

Apologies if this has been covered in the previous 44 pages of this thread...

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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Dick H » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:50 pm

Per Amtrak Status, #54 was 23 minutes late leaving Springfield
and 20 minutes late leaving Northhampton, which would seem
to indicate that the slow running mentioned is normal track
speed in that area. #54 actually gained three minutes.
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