Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby electricron » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:07 pm

CalTrain orders Stadler Rail KISS sets. The powered boogies (wheels/trucks) are under the first and last cars of the train set, the cars with cabs. A typical KISS (6 car) train....
https://wwwstadlerrailcom-live-01e96f7. ... z0908e.pdf
The power poles are located on the same end cars, it appears after watching a few YouTube videos only one arm needs to be up to run the train at speed.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Matt Johnson » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:00 pm

Hmm, I liked the initial Alstom CGI version better. I think they could have done better on that paint scheme, but as long as it delivers where it matters...

I wonder if the locomotives will have active tilt. The sides are vertical apparently, and different from the profile of the tilt coaches.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:11 am

The gray paint makes it look like a snail with a really long shell. Better than looking like a duck though, I suppose.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:59 am

Railway Age's content management system which loads all of their articles appears to have crashed ... seems in line with the usual observation that among the enthusiast community there's nothing that generates more interest than livery selection.

Also worth noting ... this article is the first confirmation yet that Amtrak will continue to brand the new trainsets with "Acela". A very good choice on their part. They have generated excellent brand equity.

On a different and more techinical note can anyone describe the difference between the regenerative braking capacity of the current Acela trainsets and the new Avelia Liberty systems? Alstom seems to be implying that there's a change or improvement of some kind but it isn't clear to me at all what that is.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby bostontrainguy » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:40 pm

gokeefe wrote:Railway Age's content management system which loads all of their articles appears to have crashed ... seems in line with the usual observation that among the enthusiast community there's nothing that generates more interest than livery selection.

Also worth noting ... this article is the first confirmation yet that Amtrak will continue to brand the new trainsets with "Acela". A very good choice on their part. They have generated excellent brand equity.

On a different and more techinical note can anyone describe the difference between the regenerative braking capacity of the current Acela trainsets and the new Avelia Liberty systems? Alstom seems to be implying that there's a change or improvement of some kind but it isn't clear to me at all what that is.


Yes, "Acela" is here to stay.

But I do prefer "Metroliner" over "Northeast Regional" or "Northeast Direct"!
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:02 pm

A VERY WISE choice to retain the name Acela.

As stupid as it sounds, it has become a brand name for premium Corridor passengers.

Likely, a "less wise" decision by Mr. Gunn was to mock the name with "Acela O'Cello, what's that; a household cleaning product?"
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby ExCon90 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:27 pm

"Kodak" was meaningless at first, but if the public gets used to a name, stick with it.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:39 pm

Pretty interesting interview with Mark Yachmetz, Senior Vice President for Strategic Rail Initiatives at Amtrak, released on YouTube by Alstom.

First confirmation that manufacturing parts for the new trainsets has begun.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:46 pm

Video from Alstom explaining the basics of their Tiltronix technology. Indicates allowable 25-30% increase in speeds through curves. I'm guessing that may assume using full tilt capacity (8%) which probably is not possible in the Northeast but interesting to consider nonetheless.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:49 pm

Philadelphia Magazine has published some additional photos of the livery.

The 28 new trainsets are set to replace current Acela Express equipment in 2021. They’ll feature about one-third more passenger seating, enhanced food service, and improved Wi-Fi access, as well as personal outlets, USB ports and adjustable reading lights at every seat.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:52 pm

Here's the tweet for the Avelia Liberty livery unveiling from the official Amtrak Twitter account.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:04 pm

Digging a little further this newsletter from APTA reveals for the first time I have seen that Amtrak's contract with Alstom includes options for additional trainsets in the future and/or additional cars to lengthen trainsets. The discussion of gap fillers and train leveling technology to adjust the height of the train to the exact level of the platform is pretty interesting as well.

Part of the contract with Alstom is for future options. There exists a firm fixed price for both more trainsets, and the ability to lengthen these trainsets if demand warrants it.


Also confirms no requirement to lengthen high speed servicing facilities.

The new trainsets, consisting of a power car at each end and nine passenger vehicles, will be slightly longer than the existing Acela but still fit inside the Amtrak maintenance facilities in Washington, New York and Boston.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:08 pm

And here is the official spec sheet for Avelia Liberty.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Matt Johnson » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:02 pm

gokeefe wrote:Here's the tweet for the Avelia Liberty livery unveiling from the official Amtrak Twitter account.


They put the locomotive on the wrong end of that model! :) Not really a fan of that schnoz, which the grey tends to exaggerate. I would've done the paint scheme differently, but as long as it works I guess the color scheme ain't so important.

Actually, the nose is very sleek as I look at it. The grey blob just makes it look less so.
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