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Re: Texas HSR update

Postby Rockingham Racer » Fri May 20, 2016 7:59 am

This is one more reason that--while not HerSPR, the proposed commuter rail between Georgetown and San Antonio needs to move forward, and quickly.
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Re: Texas HSR update

Postby Jeff Smith » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:10 pm

Breaking Ground: The Observer (Your Houston News)

I find the breaking ground headline to be inaccurate; it's click-bait if you ask me. There's one little sentence buried in the article at the very end, with no specifics. However, I still like the idea of the project.

Bullet train connecting Houston to Dallas to break ground
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Texas Central held a railroad update Tuesday, June 7, at the Houston Northwest Chamber of Commerce. The bullet train will be the first high-speed rail the country has ever seen. Travel time on the train will be 90 minutes between Houston and Dallas with one stop in between in the Brazos Valley area. The high-speed rail will be beneficial to the nearly 50,000 Texans who travel back and forth between Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth more than once a week.
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The first full year of operations is projected to be in 2022. Texas Central does not want to speculate on ticket prices but will be offering competitive priced tickets.

Texas Central will be considering factors with pricing tickets dependent upon booking in advance, last minute, peak time, and off peak time. The Brazos area stop will be in between College Station and Huntsville. There might be possible student pricing for the 80,000 students that are in the Brazos Valley area which includes serving students attending Texas A&M, Blinn, and Sam Houston.
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Texas Central’s goal is to break ground on the nation’s first high-speed rail at the end of next year.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby lpetrich » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:13 pm

Quoting from the previous post, "Texas Central’s goal is to break ground on the nation’s first high-speed rail at the end of next year." -- so they are claiming that they will beat California's project?
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby SemperFidelis » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:57 pm

"Breaking ground" can mean a lot of different things.

When a company or a Governor or President or Senator wants to show "progress" on something they set a date to "break ground".
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby deathtopumpkins » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:40 am

It'd be hard for them to beat CAHSR at "breaking ground", considering ground was broken some time ago for CAHSR.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Arlington » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:24 am

deathtopumpkins wrote:It'd be hard for them to beat CAHSR at "breaking ground", considering ground was broken some time ago for CAHSR.


The quote is clear: "Texas Central’s goal is to break ground on the nation’s first high-speed rail at the end of next year"
- no claim to be breaking ground first
- the claim centers implicitly on "being" high-speed rail
- and in order to exclude the NEC from 0being first there's an implicit HSR == 189mph+

I think it quite possible that Texas Central will be the first to open an operating segment at ~200mph.

California chose to start with a disconnected segment cutting through dense city centers on a path of optimal service but maximal resistance meaning they not only have a whole lot of viaduct (and trench?) work, they also have a whole lot of additional work to connect it before they start operating.

Texas Central only serves 2 city centers (and even then, on a path of least resistance) and other than that will be mostly grade-ballast-track on flat land, and can probably start with suburb-to-suburb service very quickly.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby deathtopumpkins » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:40 am

So basically you're assuming that statement is assuming that "first" is referring to "first to operate trains" rather than "first to break ground". Not at all clear from that quote, and not even assuredly going to be true.

Also, you're assuming that Texas Central defines HSR as >189 mph to exclude the Acela. However, most definitions of HSR would include the Acela.

The Aclea meets all three definitions of HSR found on the Wiki page, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail


The statement is factually incorrect.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Arlington » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:07 pm

^ So if Acela is in this "firsts" contest set, why did you yourself reflexively cite CAHSR's groundbreaking, not PennCentral's? Seems like just two posts ago, you were working on the same definition of HSR being TGV1-or-greater as I was and Texas Central likely is.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby deathtopumpkins » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:18 pm

Because I was responding to this post:
lpetrich wrote:Quoting from the previous post, "Texas Central’s goal is to break ground on the nation’s first high-speed rail at the end of next year." -- so they are claiming that they will beat California's project?


lpetrich asked if they're claiming that they will beat CAHSR, so I posted saying that they would have a hard time doing so.

I only mentioned the Acela and definitions of "high speed rail" in response to your claim that I didn't understand the quote.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Arlington » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:47 pm

In the article, they say, "The first full year of operations is projected to be in 2022. Texas Central does not want to speculate on ticket prices but will be offering competitive priced tickets."

That's still consistent with possibly operating for the later part of 2021, which Texas Central has also claimed.

Texas Central's site at http://www.texascentral.com/facts/ says, variously
Under "About the Train/When can I get a Ticket?" they say "We expect the service to begin as early as 2022. Once completed, you will be able to purchase a ticket online, similar to purchasing an airline ticket."

And under Timeline, they say:
"We expect to begin construction as early as 2017, with passenger service to begin as early as 2021."

Meanwhile in California, according to Wikipedia:
Construction on the initial section from Merced to Bakersfield began in 2015 and is expected to end in 2019, after which Amtrak's San Joaquin is proposed to first use the HSR tracks for faster conventional rail service until HSR trains use the line to its full potential.[citation needed]
The initial plans were to build an Initial Operating Segment (IOS) from Merced in the Central Valley to Burbank in the Los Angeles metropolitan area in Southern California. However, in 2016 the Authority switched to a northern IOS from San Jose in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley across to the Central Valley then north to Madera and Merced, and south to near Bakersfield at the southern end of the Central Valley. Based on a more recent analysis of the funding available and time necessary to bring an IOS online per the legal requirements, it is expected that sufficient funding will be available to bring this online by 2025.[5] The Phase 1 system could be completed by 2029, provided that additional funds are obtained.[6] The plan was slightly revised after the public comment period.[7] This revised plan was adopted on April 28, 2016.[8] Contracts have been awarded for the segment from Madera to Wasco, and construction is underway on several bridges.[9]


Acela II trainsets are projected to arrive in the same 2021/2022 timeframe as Texas Central, but will be sub-TGV speeds.

So, Texas Central's plan is break ground after California, and still be the first TGV+ class HSR system operating in the United States.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby kaitoku » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:29 am

DALLAS - The developer behind the Texas bullet train announced Thursday that architecture students from universities across Texas are in a competition to design the passenger stations.

Texas Central, a private sector-led group, is developing Texas' high-speed railway between North Texas and Houston.

“Students like these are early adopters, driving demand for travel options like the Texas bullet train. We can’t wait to see the proposals they put together, with a vision for the station of the future,” said Holly Reed, managing director, external affairs, for Texas Central.

http://www.kcentv.com/news/local/texas- ... /339230419
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Jeff Smith » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:13 pm

More from the NARP: Hotline 988

Growing demand for high-speed rail throughout the U.S. is leading to stronger support from the general public for HSR projects nationwide. Multiple states and regions across the country are looking for HSR service and equipment upgrades, including California, Minnesota, the Northeast Corridor, and of course, Texas. A new poll in Texas by Survey USA highlights the trend, revealing that 76 percent of those surveyed support a privately built HSR system between Dallas and Houston. Fourteen percent were undecided, while only 10 percent opposed the project, which would be built by Texas Central Partners.

The Texas high-speed rail project is important for the country, and NARP has taken an active role in helping promote it and raise awareness of the project in the state. This past Saturday, for example, NARP members helped to organize a meeting in Houston with residents and David Hagy from Texas Central. During the meeting, Hagy noted five important features of the HSR project:

The HSR project in Texas will be the first of its kind in the United States as no HSR currently exist within the country.

As a private company, Texas Central will pay taxes to the communities in which the line runs through.

The Dallas to Houston route was selected due to the areas projected growth.

Following the completion of an environmental study, Texas Central will hear from the public on the HSR route.

Once approved, construction will begin in 2018, with a completion of early 2023.

L.E.K Consulting conducted a study on HSR in Texas and noted several of the benefits that Texans would received from riding HSR. The most notable stat that the new study found was that 90 percent of the 16 million people that reside in service areas between Dallas and Houston, could save at least one hour of travel time by taking the trains as opposed to traveling by car or by plane. This is a remarkable statistic that highlights the true potential of HSR not only in Texas, but across the U.S.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Arlington » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:21 am

TC certainly like their claim that there are no HSRs in the US and that if they are operating first that they will be the first.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby John_Perkowski » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:45 pm

My opinion:

Technically, they are right. Acela cannot operate as a HSR, given it must live on the existing Northeast Corridor.

When Germany built ICE, when France built Mistral, they also built new rights of way, brigdges, and trackage, to support the speeds the new trains brought.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Jeff Smith » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:44 pm

Update: http://www.progressiverailroading.com/p ... ect--52432

Texas Central inks pact with Fluor, Lane for bullet train project

Texas Central Partners announced today that Fluor Enterprises and Lane Construction Corp. will be the preferred designer and builder of the private company's proposed bullet train between Dallas and Houston.

Under the agreement, Fluor and Lane will refine and update the project's construction planning and sequencing, scheduling and cost estimates, procurement, and other design and engineering activity related to civil infrastructure, Texas Central officials said in a press release.

After the development phase and financial plan close, Fluor and Lane would be the preferred design-builder of the project, they said.
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