Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

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Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:52 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/ ... /#35412376

Anyone know anything about this 12 Sec Pullman just waiting to be restored?
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Re: Remsen NY

Postby nydepot » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:45 pm

It's an Olympic video. Did you mean to post something else?
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Re: Remsen NY

Postby goodnightjohnwayne » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:44 pm

Gilbert B Norman wrote:
Anyone know anything about this 12 Sec Pullman just waiting to be restored?


If you're referring to the long derelict car at Remsen, I think it's beyond hope. If you look at the window arrangement, it was some sort of oddball all room car.
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Re: Remsen NY

Postby Kuyahoora Valley » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:26 pm

It's an Olympic video. Did you mean to post something else?


I'm glad he posted it...showed the Pullman, plus the clock and water tower at the Remsen Depot on national news. Very cool. The video is about Erin Hamlin, from Remsen who is racing at the Olympics and won the World Cup.

The Depot website has a small write-up about the Pullman and future plans.

http://www.remsendepot.com/index.html
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Re: Remsen NY

Postby nydepot » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:12 pm

Now it is. It was not when I watched it earlier. It was about a guy from Vermont who was in a very serious accident and recuperating.

Edit: Sorry, I see the original poster edited the URL so that it works now.

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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby Otto Vondrak » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:19 pm

I took a screen grab from the video. Looks like someone put a fresh coat on the roof not too long ago.

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Pullman at Remsen
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From the Remsen Depot web site:

PULLMAN: The Depot has a acquired the 1926 Pullman sleeper, Glen Saddell. It has arrived and is on our west siding. Pictures will be posted soon. Thanks to a grant from the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter, NRHS, we will be able to replace the windows, make exterior repairs and paint the exterior of the car in its original "Pullman Green". Our intent is to then begin the restoration of the interior of the car. We are currently seeking funding to restore the car's nine rooms.
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:24 am

Wouldn't it have been nice if the NBC correspondent knew what a photo line was so that those amongst us, such as Mr. Deasy and Col. Perkowski, with their vast knowledge of the heavyweight Pullman fleet, could identify the car's configuration?
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby nydepot » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:31 am

Plan #3523A
Built 8-9/1926
Owner: Pullman
3 Double Bedroom-6 Compartment

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/3523A_Ice2.pdf
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby tree68 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:53 am

It got moved around Thendara for several years before going to Remsen last year. You feel like you need a tetanus shot just looking at the interior.

It's missing a coupler (north end), but I believe the brakes may actually work.
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby SST » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:25 pm

You call that derelict? You should see the Pullman car [Anadore] off of River Rd at Lafarge near the Grand Island bridge. Now THAT is derelict! It makes this one look brand new! I had pictures of it long ago but disappeared with the old computer. It is land locked and no where near a track. Has no trucks either.
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby goodnightjohnwayne » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:18 pm

tree68 wrote:It got moved around Thendara for several years before going to Remsen last year. You feel like you need a tetanus shot just looking at the interior.

It's missing a coupler (north end), but I believe the brakes may actually work.


I cringed when I looked at that car, even from a safe distance, standing on public property. Looking at the yellow paint inside the vestibules, which is clearly visible without trespassing, I'd say that the car saw some sort of MOW service. I would guess that it was in pretty rough shape before it was ever brought up into the Adirondacks.

A google search indicates that it was still in the Pullman fleet as late as 1950. Considering that it was an all room car, I would suspect that it originally saw service on a name train.
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Tonawanda NY

Postby erie2937 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:35 pm

Anadore was used by the Ground Observer Corps. You've gotta be at least in your fifties to remember that. The name is still visible inside the car, at least it was the last time I was in it, which was several years ago.
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby tree68 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:05 pm

At Thendara it was known affectionately as "the torpedo." I don't recall why.
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Re: Derelict Pullman in Remsen NY?

Postby SST » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:10 pm

by erie2937 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:35 pm

Anadore was used by the Ground Observer Corps. You've gotta be at least in your fifties to remember that. The name is still visible inside the car, at least it was the last time I was in it, which was several years ago.


Thanks so much for that information. For nearly 15 years I've been wondering about it and have posted on this forum and the previous version. No one seemed to know anything about it. The last time I was there, perhaps 5 years ago, the name was still visible on the outside on the north side of the car. Less weather beating.

Thanks again.
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Glen Saddell Pullman info

Postby isaksenj » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:44 pm

To further nydepot's posting:

Tom Madden's Pullman database is a wonderful compilation of all sorts of Pullman car information - really worth taking a look at:
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/

The Database has this information on Glen Saddell, a 6 Compartment, 3 Drawing Room sleeper:

Lot 4974, Plan 3523a, in-service date 8/23/26, air conditioned in 1939, sold to Darby Wood in 1967. (Whole bunch of cars that still exist were in that sale, by the way).

Underbody equipment layout:
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/3523A_PMB2.pdf

Coloring descriptions are interesting:
Pull. Std.; D5497 Maroon & gray (10/31/51); D6435B (1/27/55)

Color code description: http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Paint_Text.htm

Of course, much, much more construction information can be found in Illinois Railway Museum's Pullman Archive -- stuff that will be incredibly helpful for anyone looking to work on the car. (Lot and Plan numbers help greatly in pulling up information).
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